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1999 Kentucky gubernatorial election

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Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1999

← 1995 November 9, 1999 2003 →
 
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Nominee Paul Patton Peppy Martin Gatewood Galbraith
Party Democratic Republican Reform
Running mate Steve Henry Wanda Cornelius Kathy Lyons
Popular vote 352,099 128,788 88,930
Percentage 60.7% 22.2% 15.3%

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County results
Patton:      30–40%      40–50%      50–60%
     60–70%      70–80%      80–90%
Martin:      40-50%      50-60%      60-70%

Governor before election

Paul E. Patton
Democratic

Elected Governor

Paul E. Patton
Democratic

The 1999 Kentucky gubernatorial election took place on November 9, 1999, for the post of Governor of Kentucky. Democratic incumbent Governor Paul E. Patton defeated Republican nominee Peppy Martin to win a second term. It was the first time that the election was held since the Kentucky General Assembly changed its term limits law in 1992, allowing Patton to run again and leaving Virginia as the only state that prohibits its Governor from serving immediate successive terms.

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WELCOME. >> [APPLAUSE] >> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING >> [APPLAUSE] >> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON >> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON FILM. BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON FILM. TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FILM. TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS OF BRINGING TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS OF BRINGING LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN. THE PROCESS OF BRINGING LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN. SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN. SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD. SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD. EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD. EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A VERY LONG TIME SO I START ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A VERY LONG TIME SO I START WITH DORIS. VERY LONG TIME SO I START WITH DORIS. WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME WITH DORIS. WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN? WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN? >> [LAUGHTER] OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN? >> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK WHEN I WAS A >> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED >> I THINK WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED TO THE PART OF THE STORY LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED TO THE PART OF THE STORY WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE TO THE PART OF THE STORY WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT, READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT, AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT, AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG THINGS, SLAVERY AND DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG THINGS, SLAVERY AND EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN THINGS, SLAVERY AND EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO ABRAHAM LYNN SON. MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO ABRAHAM LYNN SON. IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT ABRAHAM LYNN SON. IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE ABOUT MARY AND ABE. FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE ABOUT MARY AND ABE. IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO ABOUT MARY AND ABE. IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER. A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER. WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER. WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM WHEN HE'S GONE. WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM WHEN HE'S GONE. >> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF WHEN HE'S GONE. >> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS. >> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO A FILM ON LINCOLN? HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO A FILM ON LINCOLN? OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE A FILM ON LINCOLN? OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE IMPETUS? OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE IMPETUS? >> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO IMPETUS? >> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN. >> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN. SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN. SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME, LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME, WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME, WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN. PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN. YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN. YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM. THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM. I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE ABOUT HIM. I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING, TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING, HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING, HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS FOR THE MILLENNIUM. FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS FOR THE MILLENNIUM. >> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED FOR THE MILLENNIUM. >> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED IN THE LAST CENTURY. >> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED IN THE LAST CENTURY. >> THE LAST CENTURY! IN THE LAST CENTURY. >> THE LAST CENTURY! >> 1999! >> THE LAST CENTURY! >> 1999! >> '99. >> 1999! >> '99. AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK, >> '99. AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK, I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK, I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL, I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL, I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL, I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE. REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE. >> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE. >> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE HANDS ON IT? >> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE HANDS ON IT? AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO, HANDS ON IT? AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO, THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO, THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN! STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN! I WAS SO EXCITED. WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN! I WAS SO EXCITED. >> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU I WAS SO EXCITED. >> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU >> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID -- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID -- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M -- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999. BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999. >> EXACTLY. SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999. >> EXACTLY. YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR >> EXACTLY. YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR SO LONG! YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR SO LONG! AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING SO LONG! AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK. AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK. >> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK. >> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED. >> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE >> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY WRITTEN BY DORIS? THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY WRITTEN BY DORIS? >> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD WRITTEN BY DORIS? >> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW >> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE, FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO -- WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO -- >> [LAUGHTER] AND SO -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE FIRST >> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND >> ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE -- CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE -- AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE -- AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND MAKING THIS ADAPTATION, LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND MAKING THIS ADAPTATION, STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF MAKING THIS ADAPTATION, STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I THINK WITHOUT ANY AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I THINK WITHOUT ANY EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A THINK WITHOUT ANY EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A 10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A 10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S 10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL. PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL. I MEAN, IT WAS SO HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL. I MEAN, IT WAS SO RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH I MEAN, IT WAS SO RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS AND AMAZING CHARACTERS. INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS AND AMAZING CHARACTERS. SO THERE'S A REAL AND AMAZING CHARACTERS. SO THERE'S A REAL EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES. SO THERE'S A REAL EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES. AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES. AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE BATTLES. DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE BATTLES. >> RIGHT. BATTLES. >> RIGHT. >> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT >> RIGHT. >> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION >> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS START TO HAPPEN. AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS START TO HAPPEN. >> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF START TO HAPPEN. >> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN >> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES, CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES, AND THE CIVIL WAR. IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES, AND THE CIVIL WAR. TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU AND THE CIVIL WAR. TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM? REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM? AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM? AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS SO MUCH MATERIAL. AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS SO MUCH MATERIAL. >> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST SO MUCH MATERIAL. >> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG. >> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG. IT WOULD HAVE -- DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG. IT WOULD HAVE -- >> 550. IT WOULD HAVE -- >> 550. BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING. >> 550. BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING. >> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING. >> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF >> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF THAT DRAFT. PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF THAT DRAFT. AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT, THAT DRAFT. AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT, 550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT, 550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT 10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO -- 550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT 10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO -- >> [LAUGHTER] 10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A >> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER >> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR THEMES OF THE LINCOLN CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR THEMES OF THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER THEMES OF THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH, READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH, YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH, YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE, SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE, AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE, AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED HISTORY. ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED HISTORY. AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH HISTORY. AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES, HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER FOR HISTORY. HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER FOR HISTORY. >> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY FOR HISTORY. >> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT >> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU WANTED TO TELL? RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU WANTED TO TELL? I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS WANTED TO TELL? I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE? THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE? >> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE? >> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD >> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS RUMINATING AND DEEPLY -- HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS RUMINATING AND DEEPLY -- LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP. RUMINATING AND DEEPLY -- LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP. THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP. THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO. KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO. HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO. HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF, REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF, INSIDE OF HIMSELF. FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF, INSIDE OF HIMSELF. AND I REALLY WANTED TO INSIDE OF HIMSELF. AND I REALLY WANTED TO EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR AND I REALLY WANTED TO EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION. EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION. I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION. I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING. TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING. AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF HE WAS SPEAKING. AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW, WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW, JUST WORKING THINGS OUT. RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW, JUST WORKING THINGS OUT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST JUST WORKING THINGS OUT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM. IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM. IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO TONY. IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO TONY. >> I THINK FOR ME, THE TONY. >> I THINK FOR ME, THE MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS >> I THINK FOR ME, THE MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD. THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD. YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY WORLD. YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE OF THESE STORIES. THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE OF THESE STORIES. AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN OF THESE STORIES. AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN STORY. AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN STORY. I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON STORY. I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE. I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE. >> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE. >> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT >> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT WHOLE THING! MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT WHOLE THING! LINCOLN SUDDENLY -- WHOLE THING! LINCOLN SUDDENLY -- >> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT LINCOLN SUDDENLY -- >> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW >> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN, ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN, I WAS RIGHT! DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN, I WAS RIGHT! >> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS, I WAS RIGHT! >> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS, WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY -- >> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS, WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY -- BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY -- BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED, BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED, KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED, KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY? STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY? >> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY? >> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. I DON'T THINK I WAS. >> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. I DON'T THINK I WAS. I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY I DON'T THINK I WAS. I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE IT. TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE IT. I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED DON'T HAVE IT. I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS, I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS, AND THEN I CAN CREATE DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS, AND THEN I CAN CREATE CHARACTERS IN THEIR AND THEN I CAN CREATE CHARACTERS IN THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE CHARACTERS IN THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID, THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID, SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID, SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING SOMETHING ABOUT HIS HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING SOMETHING ABOUT HIS RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING ABOUT HIS RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME, RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME, TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME, TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS BOTH, OBVIOUSLY. OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS BOTH, OBVIOUSLY. HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND BOTH, OBVIOUSLY. HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO, HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO, BUT I'M A WORD GIRL. THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO, BUT I'M A WORD GIRL. >> WORD IS FIRST! BUT I'M A WORD GIRL. >> WORD IS FIRST! >> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT >> WORD IS FIRST! >> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT >> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY OF THE EMANCIPATION SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT? MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT? >> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH 13TH AMENDMENT? >> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING, >> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING, ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART, AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING, ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART, TONY MADE ME AWARE OF ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART, TONY MADE ME AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE TONY MADE ME AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW , A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW , A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF , A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST. OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST. LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM. INTEREST. LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM. BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM. BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES OF THE EMANCIPATION THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF -- HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF -- AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF -- AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS -- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS -- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER -- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER MASTERS. WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER MASTERS. AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE MASTERS. AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER, THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER, WITH HIS LIFE. EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER, WITH HIS LIFE. UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER WITH HIS LIFE. UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS & THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS & THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM & THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM 1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM 1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE 1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE ONE LASTING PERMANENT FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE ONE LASTING PERMANENT CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT ONE LASTING PERMANENT CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME. WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME. >> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME. >> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A >> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A MATTER OF FACT. BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A MATTER OF FACT. GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL MATTER OF FACT. GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN NORMAL? PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN NORMAL? >> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON NORMAL? >> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE >> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR. WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR. ALWAYS. THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR. ALWAYS. >> [LAUGHTER] ALWAYS. >> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST, >> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST, I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY >> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST, I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS -- AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS -- FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS -- FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE, FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE, I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE, I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR THE SAME WAY AND TONY SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR THE SAME WAY AND TONY DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT THE SAME WAY AND TONY DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS' ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS' BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS' BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES, ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES, THAT THERE WAS BROAD LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES, THAT THERE WAS BROAD AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO THAT THERE WAS BROAD AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE DETAILS. A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE DETAILS. THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN DETAILS. THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN FIND MY VOICE. THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN FIND MY VOICE. I CAN BE PART OF THAT FIND MY VOICE. I CAN BE PART OF THAT DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY I CAN BE PART OF THAT DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO TELLING THE STORY. OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO TELLING THE STORY. SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES, TELLING THE STORY. SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES, THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES, THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN. WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN. THAT WAS IT. AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN. THAT WAS IT. >> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO THAT WAS IT. >> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO >> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET, AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET, SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET, SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME. WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE. YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING HAS TO BE. YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT THAT YOU, TOO -- FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT THAT YOU, TOO -- >> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO THAT YOU, TOO -- >> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO MUCH SCIENCE FICTION! >> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO MUCH SCIENCE FICTION! NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT! MUCH SCIENCE FICTION! NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT! >> [APPLAUSE] NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT! >> [APPLAUSE] >> [LAUGHTER] >> [APPLAUSE] >> [LAUGHTER] >> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF >> [LAUGHTER] >> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF >> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT -- THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT -- WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT -- WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I, WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT, LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I, WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER, GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER, AND PROBABLY THE MOST THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER, AND PROBABLY THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS AND PROBABLY THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS OFFICE. EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS OFFICE. IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT OFFICE. IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP WHO IS AS GREAT AS UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP WHO IS AS GREAT AS SHAKESPEARE, MOZART, WHO IS AS GREAT AS SHAKESPEARE, MOZART, WHATEVER, AND HE WAS SHAKESPEARE, MOZART, WHATEVER, AND HE WAS ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO, WHATEVER, AND HE WAS ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO, WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO, WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT. PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT. BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT. BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO ABOUT THE HOUSE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO ABOUT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH ABOUT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM MAKING. IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM MAKING. >> I THINK IT WILL IN THE MAKING. >> I THINK IT WILL IN THE FUTURE. >> I THINK IT WILL IN THE FUTURE. >> RIGHT. FUTURE. >> RIGHT. AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT >> RIGHT. AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT WHAT WE JUST SAW. AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT WHAT WE JUST SAW. I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT WHAT WE JUST SAW. I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF AND THE PROCESSES OF ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF AND THE PROCESSES OF GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER AND THE PROCESSES OF GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN DOING IT. THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN DOING IT. DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING DOING IT. DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS FIRST AND FOREMOST THE FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS FIRST AND FOREMOST THE POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A FIRST AND FOREMOST THE POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY CONVINCING. AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY CONVINCING. IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE CONVINCING. IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT AT POLITICAL THEATER. STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT AT POLITICAL THEATER. >> RIGHT. AT POLITICAL THEATER. >> RIGHT. >> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS >> RIGHT. >> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT >> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT HIS TIME. BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT HIS TIME. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE HIS TIME. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING DECISIONS. GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING DECISIONS. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY DECISIONS. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE TELLING A STORY THAT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE TELLING A STORY THAT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE TELLING A STORY THAT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF THE CIVIL WAR. OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF THE CIVIL WAR. IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE THE CIVIL WAR. IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE POLITICAL ARENA. IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE POLITICAL ARENA. AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD POLITICAL ARENA. AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE. TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE. >> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST THE CASE. >> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING >> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE, MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT THE VOTE FOR THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT THE VOTE FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY THE VOTE FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN WILL VOTE SOME PLAY! SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN WILL VOTE SOME PLAY! SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A WILL VOTE SOME PLAY! SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS! SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS! BUT -- BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS! BUT -- >> [LAUGHTER] BUT -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> DORIS, THE INTERESTING >> [LAUGHTER] >> DORIS, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU >> DORIS, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES. THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES. WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES. WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S >> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300 BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300 TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300 TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS LINCOLN. WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS LINCOLN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE LINCOLN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PLOT IS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PLOT IS. THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE PLOT IS. THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING, MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING, MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING, MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD, IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD, THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD, THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS RESPONSIBLE. FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS RESPONSIBLE. I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT RESPONSIBLE. I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT LETTING THE PEACE EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT LETTING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS COMING TO LETTING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS COMING TO WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS COMMISSIONERS COMING TO WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS PRESIDENT. HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS PRESIDENT. SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY PRESIDENT. SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE WITH. THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE WITH. SO I'M VERY GLAD. WITH. SO I'M VERY GLAD. >> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING SO I'M VERY GLAD. >> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF >> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF COURSE, THE CASTING, THE THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF COURSE, THE CASTING, THE LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR COURSE, THE CASTING, THE LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS, DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS, LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS, LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE LEAST. LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE LEAST. >> [LAUGHTER] LEAST. >> [LAUGHTER] >> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING, >> [LAUGHTER] >> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING, BUT OTHERS -- >> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING, BUT OTHERS -- >> [LAUGHTER] BUT OTHERS -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON >> [LAUGHTER] >> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE >> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE LOCATION? CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE LOCATION? STEVE? LOCATION? STEVE? >> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN STEVE? >> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO >> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN, VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN, WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN, WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS SHOT HERE. WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS SHOT HERE. I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES, SHOT HERE. I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES, WAR OF THE WORLDS AND I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES, WAR OF THE WORLDS AND MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT WAR OF THE WORLDS AND MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE, LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE, WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE, WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT THAT. THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT THAT. AND -- BUT WE WERE THAT. AND -- BUT WE WERE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, AND -- BUT WE WERE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR -- WHICH I MADE BEFORE WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR -- WHICH I MADE BEFORE LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY -- WHICH I MADE BEFORE LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS INCENTIVE IN THAT. TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS INCENTIVE IN THAT. THANK YOU GOVERNOR INCENTIVE IN THAT. THANK YOU GOVERNOR McDONNELL! THANK YOU GOVERNOR McDONNELL! >> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE. McDONNELL! >> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE. BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING >> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE. BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING HERE WAS ONE PHONE BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING HERE WAS ONE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH YOUR HERE WAS ONE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH YOUR GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT CONVERSATION WITH YOUR GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT -- GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT -- >> [APPLAUSE] -- >> [APPLAUSE] >> WHERE HE GOT VERY >> [APPLAUSE] >> WHERE HE GOT VERY PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS >> WHERE HE GOT VERY PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON, MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON, AND WE WOULD BE VERY THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON, AND WE WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE, AND WE WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE, TELLING THE STORY. COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE, TELLING THE STORY. >> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS TELLING THE STORY. >> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF >> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF COMING HOME TO THE MANSION REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF COMING HOME TO THE MANSION AND FINDING THE UNION COMING HOME TO THE MANSION AND FINDING THE UNION SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN. AND FINDING THE UNION SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN. >> [LAUGHTER] SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN. >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND GOING INSIDE THE >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND GOING INSIDE THE MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN >> AND GOING INSIDE THE MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN IN THE KITCHEN! MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN IN THE KITCHEN! >> [LAUGHTER] IN THE KITCHEN! >> [LAUGHTER] >> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE >> [LAUGHTER] >> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM, >> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM, ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM, ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED. ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED. BUT I DIDN'T DO IT. STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED. BUT I DIDN'T DO IT. >> [LAUGHTER] BUT I DIDN'T DO IT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY >> [LAUGHTER] >> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE >> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN HISTORICAL PERIOD? ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN HISTORICAL PERIOD? I MEAN, THAT'S -- HISTORICAL PERIOD? I MEAN, THAT'S -- >> THE THING I REALLY LIKE I MEAN, THAT'S -- >> THE THING I REALLY LIKE EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS >> THE THING I REALLY LIKE EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST, EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST, TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST, AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY, DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST, AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY, AND A PRESERVATION OF AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY, AND A PRESERVATION OF HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND AND A PRESERVATION OF HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW ENGLAND. COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW ENGLAND. THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT ENGLAND. THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT FOR HISTORY. THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT FOR HISTORY. SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND FOR HISTORY. SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF THE TELEPHONE WIRES, DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF THE TELEPHONE WIRES, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY THE TELEPHONE WIRES, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN, TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN, VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN, VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT PLACE IN AMERICA. VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT PLACE IN AMERICA. >> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT, PLACE IN AMERICA. >> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I >> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY, GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY, THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY, THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE ILY IN RUN DOWN THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE ILY IN RUN DOWN CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF ILY IN RUN DOWN CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE. PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE. >> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE EXPENDITURE. >> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM >> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM LINCOLN. LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM LINCOLN. SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S LINCOLN. SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES, OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES, THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES, THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK THAT YOU DO. POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK THAT YOU DO. >> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN THAT YOU DO. >> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN PETERSBURG. >> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN PETERSBURG. IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU PETERSBURG. IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU LET ME KNOW? IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU LET ME KNOW? IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA LET ME KNOW? IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT COUNCIL. ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT COUNCIL. >> WOW, WAS IT YOURS? COUNCIL. >> WOW, WAS IT YOURS? SINCE YOU WERE A KID? >> WOW, WAS IT YOURS? SINCE YOU WERE A KID? >> MY GRANDPA'S. SINCE YOU WERE A KID? >> MY GRANDPA'S. >> MY GOD. >> MY GRANDPA'S. >> MY GOD. >> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT! >> MY GOD. >> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT! >> 300 PEOPLE ARE -- >> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT! >> 300 PEOPLE ARE -- >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE! >> 300 PEOPLE ARE -- >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE! >> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE! >> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN >> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN SPIELBERG. TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN SPIELBERG. >> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING SPIELBERG. >> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING BANDS. >> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING BANDS. >> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME BANDS. >> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME AWAITS YOU! >> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME AWAITS YOU! >> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING, AWAITS YOU! >> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING, AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO >> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING, AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH, MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH, BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH, BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE LITERARY DENSITY OF THE SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE LITERARY DENSITY OF THE MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE LITERARY DENSITY OF THE MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE HEAD OF THE FILM GOER? MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE HEAD OF THE FILM GOER? >> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED HEAD OF THE FILM GOER? >> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED IT WOULD. >> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED IT WOULD. >> [LAUGHTER] IT WOULD. >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO >> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED UNDERSTANDING OF THESE DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS, HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS, AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS, AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY SAYING. WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY SAYING. BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL SAYING. BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL POINT. BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL POINT. THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD POINT. THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN. AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN. AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN. AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY. EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY. >> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS. TRYING TO SAY. >> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE >> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR SYMBOL FOR THE FILM. IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR SYMBOL FOR THE FILM. HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR SYMBOL FOR THE FILM. HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION? TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION? ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION? ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE DANIEL DAY-LEWIS? ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE DANIEL DAY-LEWIS? >> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY DANIEL DAY-LEWIS? >> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY HELPED? >> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY HELPED? WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING, HELPED? WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR 21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR 21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE 21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE 19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE 19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY 19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE. STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE. WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE. WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY. AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY. HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY. HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD, NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD, BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD, BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE TEXT. REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE TEXT. IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. TEXT. IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK. WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK. IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK. IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF THE PERIOD. THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF THE PERIOD. I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY THE PERIOD. I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR COULDN'T COME UP WITH INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING. IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING. >> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING. >> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE OF THE 19TH CENTURY >> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE OF THE 19TH CENTURY CHARACTERS? OF THE 19TH CENTURY CHARACTERS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF CHARACTERS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE CADENCE. ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE CADENCE. >> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME CADENCE. >> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT >> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE SPONTANEOUSLY. WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE SPONTANEOUSLY. IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE SPONTANEOUSLY. IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE 19TH CENTURY. IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE 19TH CENTURY. BUT THERE'S ENOUGH 19TH CENTURY. BUT THERE'S ENOUGH TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN BUT THERE'S ENOUGH TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY USED AND HOW MUCH MORE WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY USED AND HOW MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS. USED AND HOW MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS. I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS. I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT SEEMED IN ANY WAY I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT SEEMED IN ANY WAY ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH SEEMED IN ANY WAY ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. >> GLASER GASTED! ENGLISH LANGUAGE. >> GLASER GASTED! >> -- FLABBERGASTED! >> GLASER GASTED! >> -- FLABBERGASTED! >> I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO >> -- FLABBERGASTED! >> I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO EVER USE THAT WORD! >> I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO EVER USE THAT WORD! >> YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ EVER USE THAT WORD! >> YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A >> YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT 19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT 19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT, SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT, AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER -- CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT, AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER -- ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER -- ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY AND SPENT PART OF HIS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY AND SPENT PART OF HIS CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN AND SPENT PART OF HIS CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN LIVED IN ILLINOIS. CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN LIVED IN ILLINOIS. BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR LIVED IN ILLINOIS. BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT -- HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT -- >> [LAUGHTER] A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> MY GOD! >> [LAUGHTER] >> MY GOD! >> OH, NO. >> MY GOD! >> OH, NO. >> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU >> OH, NO. >> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU WERE DOING SO WELL! >> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU WERE DOING SO WELL! >> [LAUGHTER] WERE DOING SO WELL! >> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE >> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD >> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED SOUTHERN. OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED SOUTHERN. THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS. SOUTHERN. THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT, ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT, AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT, AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO AN ENGLISH ACCENT. AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO AN ENGLISH ACCENT. >> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS AN ENGLISH ACCENT. >> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES >> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN, SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN, HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN, HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT ENGLISH ACCENT. IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT ENGLISH ACCENT. IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING. ENGLISH ACCENT. IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING. >> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY, IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING. >> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, >> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND STAYED IN IT 24/7. ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND STAYED IN IT 24/7. >> YES. STAYED IN IT 24/7. >> YES. >> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM >> YES. >> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO >> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT? YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT? >> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT? >> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET, >> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET, HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER, THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET, HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER, SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER, SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT AND HAVE A COMPLETE WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT AND HAVE A COMPLETE CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND AND HAVE A COMPLETE CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE WAS WONDERFUL. THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON HIS DEATH BED, IN THE MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON HIS DEATH BED, IN THE PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL HIS DEATH BED, IN THE PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR MONTHS. TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR MONTHS. IT WAS MY UNDOING. MONTHS. IT WAS MY UNDOING. HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS IT WAS MY UNDOING. HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO CHARACTER. QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO CHARACTER. BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM CHARACTER. BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS OF SHOOTING. LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS OF SHOOTING. >> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING, OF SHOOTING. >> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE >> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE, WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE, WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN. WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN. HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN. HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD, HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD, MR. LINCOLN IS COMING. AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD, MR. LINCOLN IS COMING. THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON MR. LINCOLN IS COMING. THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM, AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM, MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM, MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT AND HE REMEMBERED THAT MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT AND HE REMEMBERED THAT STANDON HAD HAD THIS -- AND HE REMEMBERED THAT STANDON HAD HAD THIS -- STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT STANDON HAD HAD THIS -- STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S, STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S, WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S, WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED STANTON, WHICH MADE IT WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED STANTON, WHICH MADE IT AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN STANTON, WHICH MADE IT AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN THE CABINET, SO HE SAID AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN THE CABINET, SO HE SAID MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY THE CABINET, SO HE SAID MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850 MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850 AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850 AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO HIM. THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO HIM. >> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK HIM. >> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN >> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR THE FIRST TIME? THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR THE FIRST TIME? >> I THINK THE -- WELL, I THE FIRST TIME? >> I THINK THE -- WELL, I DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET, >> I THINK THE -- WELL, I DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE DAYS THAT I WAS THERE. SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE DAYS THAT I WAS THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID DAYS THAT I WAS THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL, THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL, AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL, AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE ACTORS. AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE ACTORS. THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE ACTORS. THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME. THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT THE TIME, WHAT DID THE BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT THE TIME, WHAT DID THE WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE. THE TIME, WHAT DID THE WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE. THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE. THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT WAS. CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT WAS. AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT WAS. AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD FEEL WEALTHY. NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD FEEL WEALTHY. >> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO FEEL WEALTHY. >> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING! >> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING! >> [LAUGHTER] MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING! >> [LAUGHTER] >> NOW I'M GOING TO GO! >> [LAUGHTER] >> NOW I'M GOING TO GO! >> OKAY! >> NOW I'M GOING TO GO! >> OKAY! >> SPEAKING OF THIS, I >> OKAY! >> SPEAKING OF THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR >> SPEAKING OF THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SHOOT. AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SHOOT. >> I DID. ENTIRE SHOOT. >> I DID. BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS, >> I DID. BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS, IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS, IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY -- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY -- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT -- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT AND TURN AROUND AND CALL MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT AND TURN AROUND AND CALL STANTON BRUCE. AND TURN AROUND AND CALL STANTON BRUCE. I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE STANTON BRUCE. I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE CHARACTER NAMES. I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE CHARACTER NAMES. I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID, CHARACTER NAMES. I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID, DAVID, I CALLED HIM I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID, DAVID, I CALLED HIM MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE DAVID, I CALLED HIM MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER 40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER 40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS 40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY TODD. AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY TODD. THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING TODD. THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS, COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS, THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS, THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF TIME. TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF TIME. LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE TIME. LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE TO HIS LEGACY. ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE TO HIS LEGACY. IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE TO HIS LEGACY. IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT TEST OF TIME. STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT TEST OF TIME. >> WONDERFUL. TEST OF TIME. >> WONDERFUL. >> [APPLAUSE] >> WONDERFUL. >> [APPLAUSE] >> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS >> [APPLAUSE] >> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE >> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS, FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS, ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS, ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG, ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW. VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW. HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW. HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU TO HAVE THESE SORT OF HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU TO HAVE THESE SORT OF FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN TO HAVE THESE SORT OF FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY? FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY? >> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY? >> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE FIRST THING THAT I CARED >> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE FIRST THING THAT I CARED ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE FIRST THING THAT I CARED ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN, MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN, AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN, AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A SMALL PIECE OF A LONG WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A SMALL PIECE OF A LONG RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA SMALL PIECE OF A LONG RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE, THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE, YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE, YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. THAT'S REALLY GREAT. IS HAPPENING. THAT'S REALLY GREAT. TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT THAT'S REALLY GREAT. TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT FOR THADDEUS STEVENS. TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT FOR THADDEUS STEVENS. HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO FOR THADDEUS STEVENS. HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO LIFE. HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO LIFE. >> HE HAS. LIFE. >> HE HAS. >> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING >> HE HAS. >> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I >> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION, FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION, AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION, AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND -- AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND -- >> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. -- >> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. >> EXACTLY. >> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. >> EXACTLY. I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH >> EXACTLY. I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH AS A KIND OF MONSTER. I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH AS A KIND OF MONSTER. BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL AS A KIND OF MONSTER. BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL GIANT, AND A GREAT BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL GIANT, AND A GREAT POLITICIAN, AND A REAL GIANT, AND A GREAT POLITICIAN, AND A REAL VISIONARY. POLITICIAN, AND A REAL VISIONARY. AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL VISIONARY. AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH, AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH, AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH, AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS. LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS. BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS. BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE. IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE. >> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE. >> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS >> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE HIS HAIR LOOK REAL! ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE HIS HAIR LOOK REAL! AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS HIS HAIR LOOK REAL! AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR, AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR, AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR, AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE, WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE, PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE, PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE WORE IT! BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE WORE IT! >> [LAUGHTER] WORE IT! >> [LAUGHTER] >> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH >> [LAUGHTER] >> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A >> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A -- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A -- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE -- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN JEANS, AND THAT WENT IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN JEANS, AND THAT WENT EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS JEANS, AND THAT WENT EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG, AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG, SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG, SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON? POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON? WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER! YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON? WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER! WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG! WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER! WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG! BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG! BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD -- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD -- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE -- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT, SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT, AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE, WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT, AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE, SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE, SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE BEEN A SCARY PERSON. OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE BEEN A SCARY PERSON. >> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST. BEEN A SCARY PERSON. >> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST. >> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS >> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST. >> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID >> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD CASE OF IT. CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD CASE OF IT. THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS CASE OF IT. THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS BEARD. THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS BEARD. THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN BEARD. THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863, DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863, AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863, AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF TYPHOID FEVER CALLED AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF TYPHOID FEVER CALLED VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE TYPHOID FEVER CALLED VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST, MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST, CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING? STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST, CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING? >> [LAUGHTER] CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING? >> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES >> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE >> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW, IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW, PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW, PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE BOOK. SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE BOOK. IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT BOOK. IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT CHARACTER IN THE BOOK? IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT CHARACTER IN THE BOOK? >> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT CHARACTER IN THE BOOK? >> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS >> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. >> YEAH, BUT -- ABSOLUTELY TRUE. >> YEAH, BUT -- >> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND >> YEAH, BUT -- >> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND DISCOVERED THAT -- >> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND DISCOVERED THAT -- >> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN DISCOVERED THAT -- >> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN THE MOVIE. >> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN THE MOVIE. >> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER. THE MOVIE. >> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER. HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I >> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER. HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND LINCOLN PARDONED HIM. SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND LINCOLN PARDONED HIM. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE LINCOLN PARDONED HIM. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET, DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET, BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS. HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET, BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS. -- AN ACQUAINTANCE. BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS. -- AN ACQUAINTANCE. HE BECAME I THINK A -- AN ACQUAINTANCE. HE BECAME I THINK A REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR. HE BECAME I THINK A REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR. AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR. AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE 13TH AMENDMENT PASSED. QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE 13TH AMENDMENT PASSED. AND HE WAS THE ONLY 13TH AMENDMENT PASSED. AND HE WAS THE ONLY SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP. AND HE WAS THE ONLY SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP. MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP. MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR SIX. SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR SIX. >> HE DID PICK THREE BUT SIX. >> HE DID PICK THREE BUT THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN >> HE DID PICK THREE BUT THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN HISTORY. THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN HISTORY. >> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS HISTORY. >> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE >> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. >> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. >> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS >> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE NECESSARY. DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE NECESSARY. THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION NECESSARY. THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION AND COMPROMISE. THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION AND COMPROMISE. AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN AND COMPROMISE. AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE OF IT. CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE OF IT. >> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A OF IT. >> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU >> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU GO. TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU GO. >> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO GO. >> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO DO IT! >> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO DO IT! >> MAKE THE SHIFT. DO IT! >> MAKE THE SHIFT. >> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY >> MAKE THE SHIFT. >> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE >> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST. BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST. WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST. WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH THAT SCENE? WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH THAT SCENE? >> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK THAT SCENE? >> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK TO THAT. >> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK TO THAT. I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU TO THAT. I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE. HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE. WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE. WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR THAT SCENE. WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR THAT SCENE. BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY PLACE FOR THAT SCENE. BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND, BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND, ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS. WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND, ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS. BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS. BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE WHITE HOUSE. REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE WHITE HOUSE. AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY -- WHITE HOUSE. AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY -- THIS WAS AN AMAZING AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY -- THIS WAS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE THIS WAS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART, WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART, THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART, THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK, TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK, BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK, BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH PRESIDENT LINCOLN. ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH PRESIDENT LINCOLN. BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY PRESIDENT LINCOLN. BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD BEEN HAPPENING. SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD BEEN HAPPENING. AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE BEEN HAPPENING. AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW -- THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW -- >> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A -- >> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE >> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT HISTORICALLY INACCURATE OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT HISTORICALLY INACCURATE RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE HISTORICALLY INACCURATE RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE. COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE. MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE. MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT -- ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT -- BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT -- BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME. OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME. SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME. SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN. TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN. HER LIFE STORY IS EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN. HER LIFE STORY IS UNBELIEVABLE. HER LIFE STORY IS UNBELIEVABLE. >> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A UNBELIEVABLE. >> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A MOVIE TOO. >> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A MOVIE TOO. LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT. MOVIE TOO. LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT. >> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT. >> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. >> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT THERE. AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT HONEST AND HISTORICAL. LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT HONEST AND HISTORICAL. I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR HONEST AND HISTORICAL. I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS ALSO LETTING ALL THE FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS ALSO LETTING ALL THE RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD ALSO LETTING ALL THE RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TRUST HIM. LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TRUST HIM. >> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT. DIDN'T TRUST HIM. >> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT. >> EXACTLY. >> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT. >> EXACTLY. >> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I >> EXACTLY. >> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN >> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING WITH. WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING WITH. BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING WITH. BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS, THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS, DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS, DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP BACKWARDS. SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP BACKWARDS. >> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A BACKWARDS. >> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TO LINCOLN. >> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TO LINCOLN. BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE LOT TO LINCOLN. BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING FORWARD, I START GOING AND SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING FORWARD, I START GOING AND DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM, FORWARD, I START GOING AND DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM, IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM, IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL, LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL, SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL, SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE IS HE COMING FROM. BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE IS HE COMING FROM. THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION IS HE COMING FROM. THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED IT. AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED IT. BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN IT. BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK 100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK 100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK 100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK AMERICANS. EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK AMERICANS. >> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE. AMERICANS. >> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE. HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN >> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE. HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN THINK IN A WAY THAT I HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN THINK IN A WAY THAT I COULDN'T. THINK IN A WAY THAT I COULDN'T. I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE COULDN'T. I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863, I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN THIS FILM. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN THIS FILM. THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET THIS FILM. THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK AND THE MEETING WITH THE IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK AND THE MEETING WITH THE SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T AND THE MEETING WITH THE SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK REMEMBERS IT. REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK REMEMBERS IT. >> THAT COMES WITH A FEW REMEMBERS IT. >> THAT COMES WITH A FEW RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE >> THAT COMES WITH A FEW RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING HISTORY SO -- MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING HISTORY SO -- >> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME HISTORY SO -- >> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME THAT. >> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME THAT. I GUESS I NEVER KNEW. THAT. I GUESS I NEVER KNEW. >> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO I GUESS I NEVER KNEW. >> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE >> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE, SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I DID THE WHOLE THING WITH AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I DID THE WHOLE THING WITH THESE KIDS UNDER THE DID THE WHOLE THING WITH THESE KIDS UNDER THE PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE THESE KIDS UNDER THE PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING, SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING, AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING, AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH LATER. AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH LATER. THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME LATER. THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME FROM. THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME FROM. >> HERE'S ONE OF THE FROM. >> HERE'S ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS. >> HERE'S ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR INTERESTING QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND RECONSTRUCTIONIST. WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND RECONSTRUCTIONIST. >> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE RECONSTRUCTIONIST. >> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION >> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH AMENDMENT. UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH AMENDMENT. BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT AMENDMENT. BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE MORE LENIENT. SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE MORE LENIENT. BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY MORE LENIENT. BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT, EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE, SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE, PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE, PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER -- THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER -- COULD HAVE EVER HAD. FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER -- COULD HAVE EVER HAD. IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE COULD HAVE EVER HAD. IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN. ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN. THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN. THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN, ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN, WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN, WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES. HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES. THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE. ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES. THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE. >> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE. >> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM, >> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE IMAGE? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE IMAGE? >> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION IMAGE? >> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT >> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS, THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS, LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS, LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI SITUATIONS -- LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI SITUATIONS -- CHARACTERIZATIONS. SITUATIONS -- CHARACTERIZATIONS. I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY CHARACTERIZATIONS. I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE STORY. CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE STORY. I USUALLY DO THAT. STORY. I USUALLY DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I USUALLY DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT MEANS! WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT MEANS! >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING MEANS! >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. >> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW, THAT UP. >> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW, THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN >> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW, THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN TROUBLE ALL THE TIME. THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN TROUBLE ALL THE TIME. >> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST TROUBLE ALL THE TIME. >> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST STROEHEIM? >> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST STROEHEIM? >> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE STROEHEIM? >> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER >> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT OF HIS HAT. LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT OF HIS HAT. BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A OF HIS HAT. BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A SUITCASE. BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A SUITCASE. THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN SUITCASE. THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING OUT OF THE HAT -- IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING OUT OF THE HAT -- >> MY FAVORITE -- OUT OF THE HAT -- >> MY FAVORITE -- >> I LIKE THAT IMAGE. >> MY FAVORITE -- >> I LIKE THAT IMAGE. >> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE >> I LIKE THAT IMAGE. >> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS >> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS, NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS, WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS, WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF THOSE TWO BOYS. HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF THOSE TWO BOYS. FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME, THOSE TWO BOYS. FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME, THAT SCENE. FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME, THAT SCENE. >> TONY? THAT SCENE. >> TONY? >> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT >> TONY? >> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS >> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING MOMENTS. SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING MOMENTS. FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN MOMENTS. FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN -- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN -- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG. -- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG. AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG. AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO -- AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO -- AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO -- AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED, HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED, AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED, AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100 FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100 YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100 YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL. IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL. >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL. >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN -- >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN -- >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN -- >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS COMING IN TO THE BALCONY. SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS COMING IN TO THE BALCONY. MY GOD. COMING IN TO THE BALCONY. MY GOD. >> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET MY GOD. >> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET THIS. >> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET THIS. THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS THIS. THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS ATTEMPT. THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS ATTEMPT. THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE ATTEMPT. THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD, THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD, WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD, WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG, CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG, AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG, AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER. WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER. >> YES. MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER. >> YES. FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF >> YES. FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT. FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT. >> [LAUGHTER] THE 13TH AMENDMENT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE >> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS >> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT. ELECTION. PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT. >> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT. >> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON >> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON THAT. RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON THAT. THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO THAT. THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH, THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH, THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH, THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT. THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT. THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT. THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE NET. BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE NET. THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY FORTH ACROSS THE NET. THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE FOLLOWING ELECTIONS. EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE FOLLOWING ELECTIONS. SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE FOLLOWING ELECTIONS. SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT. WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT. WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT. WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION. THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION. >> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY ELECTION. >> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY WERE TO GET IT OUT. >> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY WERE TO GET IT OUT. BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT WERE TO GET IT OUT. BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF OTHER MORE IMPORTANT OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF POLITICS. OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF POLITICS. >> OKAY. POLITICS. >> OKAY. THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A >> OKAY. THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE. SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE. IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE. IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS, EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS, IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS, IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE? IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE? >> THE BLACK MISTRESS? THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE? >> THE BLACK MISTRESS? >> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS >> THE BLACK MISTRESS? >> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS MISTRESS. >> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS MISTRESS. SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY. MISTRESS. SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY. >> COMMON LAW WIFE. SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY. >> COMMON LAW WIFE. >> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR >> COMMON LAW WIFE. >> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR 37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED. >> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR 37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED. THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE 37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED. THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT HE WROTE TO HER KIDS. IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT HE WROTE TO HER KIDS. SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE, HE WROTE TO HER KIDS. SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE, AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE, AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS WRITING TO THEM. THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS WRITING TO THEM. THERE WAS ONE SON IN WRITING TO THEM. THERE WAS ONE SON IN PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS THERE WAS ONE SON IN PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN STERNLY, AND YOU GET A STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN STERNLY, AND YOU GET A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE STERNLY, AND YOU GET A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE FATHER IN THIS FAMILY THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE FATHER IN THIS FAMILY STRUCTURE. FATHER IN THIS FAMILY STRUCTURE. IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY STRUCTURE. IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN, WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED, ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED, HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED, HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE. PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE. SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE. SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP CONNECTION. SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP CONNECTION. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN CONNECTION. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT -- AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT -- >> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF IMPORTANT -- >> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A >> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING OF DR. KING. ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING OF DR. KING. >> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS OF DR. KING. >> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA, >> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA, THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA, THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS. TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS. >> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS. >> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS >> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE ACCEPTED IT. CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE ACCEPTED IT. HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT ACCEPTED IT. HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE. HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE. >> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A -- THE PEOPLE. >> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A -- ABOUT THE PEOPLE! >> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A -- ABOUT THE PEOPLE! >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. ABOUT THE PEOPLE! >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. >> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. >> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT >> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM. HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND THE THING IS, THAT'S THE >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND THE THING IS, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN. THE THING IS, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN. LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN. LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH, NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH, THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE. COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH, THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE. AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE. AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW, HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW, HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY AND COMMON. LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY AND COMMON. AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE AND COMMON. AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED US. PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED US. IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED US. IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN THAT. IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN THAT. >> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD THAT. >> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER >> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS READING KING OF ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS READING KING OF RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHEN I WAS READING KING OF RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A PURELY CENTERED PARTY, REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A PURELY CENTERED PARTY, LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN PURELY CENTERED PARTY, LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN IDEALS. THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN IDEALS. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO IDEALS. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT LINCOLN. THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT LINCOLN. >> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF LINCOLN. >> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD >> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE. OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE. AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE. AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK. WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK. >> [APPLAUSE] WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK. >> [APPLAUSE] >> >> [APPLAUSE] >> >> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE >> >> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE WRITERS. >> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE WRITERS. WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WRITERS. WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WRITING? WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WRITING? UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE WRITING? UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU? UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU? DO YOU -- AT THE DESK? STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU? DO YOU -- AT THE DESK? HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU DO YOU -- AT THE DESK? HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER? HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER? >> YES. HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER? >> YES. THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST >> YES. THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST LINE. THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST LINE. BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON LINE. BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE ARE YOU! MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE ARE YOU! >> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS ARE YOU! >> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS AVAILABLE? >> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS AVAILABLE? >> [APPLAUSE] AVAILABLE? >> [APPLAUSE] >> SHAKE ON IT! >> [APPLAUSE] >> SHAKE ON IT! >> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I >> SHAKE ON IT! >> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE >> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE COMES DOWN AND I MAKE WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE COMES DOWN AND I MAKE BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I COMES DOWN AND I MAKE BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00 BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00 AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00 AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN. LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN. PHI START READING THEM IN THE AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN. PHI START READING THEM IN THE MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE PHI START READING THEM IN THE MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE EARLY 1900S. MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE EARLY 1900S. AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE EARLY 1900S. AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT, THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT, IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS, TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT, IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS, WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS, WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT. THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT. I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE, AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT. I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE, WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE, WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I COULD WORK ALL NIGHT. WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I COULD WORK ALL NIGHT. ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS COULD WORK ALL NIGHT. ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS GONE. ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS GONE. SO MORNINGS. GONE. SO MORNINGS. ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON? SO MORNINGS. ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON? YOU SEEM LIKE A -- ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON? YOU SEEM LIKE A -- >> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET YOU SEEM LIKE A -- >> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND >> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE. AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE. >> [LAUGHTER] APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE. >> [LAUGHTER] >> THIS IS TRUE! >> [LAUGHTER] >> THIS IS TRUE! >> REALLY? >> THIS IS TRUE! >> REALLY? >> DAILY. >> REALLY? >> DAILY. >> DAILY. >> DAILY. >> DAILY. >> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW. >> DAILY. >> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW. >> WELL, I GUESS -- >> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW. >> WELL, I GUESS -- >> DO YOU WORK IN THE >> WELL, I GUESS -- >> DO YOU WORK IN THE MORNINGS, THOUGH? >> DO YOU WORK IN THE MORNINGS, THOUGH? >> YEAH, I DO. MORNINGS, THOUGH? >> YEAH, I DO. WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND -- >> YEAH, I DO. WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND -- >> [LAUGHTER] WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A >> [LAUGHTER] >> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A MORNING ANYMORE. >> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A MORNING ANYMORE. SO I'M RUNNING AROUND, MORNING ANYMORE. SO I'M RUNNING AROUND, CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND SO I'M RUNNING AROUND, CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE, GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE, WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS, KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE, WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS, SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS, SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND, SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN THE HOUSE! WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN THE HOUSE! >> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT! THE HOUSE! >> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT! >> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN >> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT! >> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T >> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL! THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL! HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU! SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL! HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU! >> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU! >> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS CAN LEARN FROM THIS. >> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS CAN LEARN FROM THIS. DON'T GET A DOG! CAN LEARN FROM THIS. DON'T GET A DOG! >> AND FIND A GOOD BAR! DON'T GET A DOG! >> AND FIND A GOOD BAR! >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND FIND A GOOD BAR! >> [LAUGHTER] >> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT >> [LAUGHTER] >> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR >> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL. PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL. IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL. IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL IN THIS CASE. IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL IN THIS CASE. WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER? IN THIS CASE. WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER? >> MY GOODNESS. WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER? >> MY GOODNESS. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING >> MY GOODNESS. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS. THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS. I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS. I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN. I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN. IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A BACK THERE AGAIN. IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF FREDERICK DOUGLAS. LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF FREDERICK DOUGLAS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS FREDERICK DOUGLAS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY SOMEONE. THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY SOMEONE. >> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES SOMEONE. >> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE, >> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE, IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE, IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER FILM? IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER FILM? >> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF FILM? >> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE >> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED, LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED, THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED, THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT. HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT. FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT. FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS NOT A DEMOCRAT. WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS NOT A DEMOCRAT. HE CAUCUSED WITH THE NOT A DEMOCRAT. HE CAUCUSED WITH THE DEMOCRATS. HE CAUCUSED WITH THE DEMOCRATS. BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE DEMOCRATS. BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT. ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT. BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT. BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED -- ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED -- >> WERE THE ACTUAL -- JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED -- >> WERE THE ACTUAL -- >> -- WAS THE REASON THEY >> WERE THE ACTUAL -- >> -- WAS THE REASON THEY VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH >> -- WAS THE REASON THEY VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE WOULD CHANGE THE NAME. SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE WOULD CHANGE THE NAME. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS WOULD CHANGE THE NAME. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT. STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT. MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG LIKE THAT. MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY WAS SO INTERESTING AND INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY WAS SO INTERESTING AND COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO WAS SO INTERESTING AND COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE UP STUFF. COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE UP STUFF. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER MAKE UP STUFF. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY. THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY. WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY. WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH THE PRESIDENT TO THE DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH THE PRESIDENT TO THE PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS THE PRESIDENT TO THE PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE CLOSED CARRIAGE. KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE CLOSED CARRIAGE. BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE CLOSED CARRIAGE. BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY MELTDOWN. COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY MELTDOWN. IT'S WIDELY REPORTED. MELTDOWN. IT'S WIDELY REPORTED. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF IT'S WIDELY REPORTED. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF TROOPS WITNESSING THIS. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF TROOPS WITNESSING THIS. IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS TROOPS WITNESSING THIS. IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT, IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT, AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT, AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A CRISIS, TO A HEAD. BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A CRISIS, TO A HEAD. >> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING CRISIS, TO A HEAD. >> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN, >> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN, IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN, IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO LIDIA SMITH. CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO LIDIA SMITH. WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN LIDIA SMITH. WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE. THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE. AND HE WENT HOME. VOTE. AND HE WENT HOME. SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT AND HE WENT HOME. SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO HEAR THE TEXT OF THE SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO HEAR THE TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT. HEAR THE TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT. >> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE AMENDMENT. >> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH, >> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH, ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH, ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. >> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. >> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME >> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. >> [LAUGHTER] EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. >> [LAUGHTER] >> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT >> [LAUGHTER] >> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT HERE. >> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT HERE. >> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS! HERE. >> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS! >> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING >> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS! >> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING IF YOU REDEAD RATED -- >> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING IF YOU REDEAD RATED -- REDEDICATED -- IF YOU REDEAD RATED -- REDEDICATED -- >> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE REDEDICATED -- >> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD, >> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO, WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS WHAT IS LOST FOREVER. RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS WHAT IS LOST FOREVER. AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A WHAT IS LOST FOREVER. AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER KNOW WITH CERTAINTY -- GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER KNOW WITH CERTAINTY -- >> IMAGINATION FILLS IN. KNOW WITH CERTAINTY -- >> IMAGINATION FILLS IN. FILLS IN THE BLANKS. >> IMAGINATION FILLS IN. FILLS IN THE BLANKS. AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF FILLS IN THE BLANKS. AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF ART AND -- AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF ART AND -- >> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE ART AND -- >> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO >> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO DO. HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO DO. YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A DO. YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND USE YOUR IMAGINATION. CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND USE YOUR IMAGINATION. >> IT'S SO ANNOYING. USE YOUR IMAGINATION. >> IT'S SO ANNOYING. I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW -- >> IT'S SO ANNOYING. I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW -- IT'S TRUE. I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW -- IT'S TRUE. I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE IT'S TRUE. I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE THINKING SOMETIMES. I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE THINKING SOMETIMES. I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING SOMETIMES. I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT, FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT, I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE. DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT, I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE. YOU GUYS CAN. I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE. YOU GUYS CAN. I'M JEALOUS. YOU GUYS CAN. I'M JEALOUS. >> [LAUGHTER] I'M JEALOUS. >> [LAUGHTER] >> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT >> [LAUGHTER] >> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT TRUE YOU STARTED BEING >> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT TRUE YOU STARTED BEING INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE TRUE YOU STARTED BEING INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A FILM? THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A FILM? >> YEAH, I DID. FILM? >> YEAH, I DID. I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE >> YEAH, I DID. I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROGRAM, AND -- EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROGRAM, AND -- >> [APPLAUSE] WHOLE PROGRAM, AND -- >> [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. AND I DID WANT TO GET THE >> THANK YOU. AND I DID WANT TO GET THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND AND I DID WANT TO GET THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO TELL A STORY WITH STILL BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO TELL A STORY WITH STILL PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME TELL A STORY WITH STILL PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN 8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN 8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA 8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD THE STORY WITH THE HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD THE STORY WITH THE 8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA, THE STORY WITH THE 8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA, CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT 8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA, CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD. CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD. HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD. HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME! CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME! BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME! BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE THE FILM MOVIE. BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE THE FILM MOVIE. I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO THE FILM MOVIE. I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA, THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA, WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA, WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG. COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG. >> [LAUGHTER] MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG. >> [LAUGHTER] >> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO >> [LAUGHTER] >> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO EDITING EQUIPMENT. >> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO EDITING EQUIPMENT. I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE EDITING EQUIPMENT. I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS, GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS, GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT, CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS, GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT, THEY BOTH FALL DEAD. GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT, THEY BOTH FALL DEAD. THAT'S IT. THEY BOTH FALL DEAD. THAT'S IT. TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO THAT'S IT. TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL -- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL -- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU -- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A CIVILIAN. THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A CIVILIAN. >> [LAUGHTER] CIVILIAN. >> [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. THAT'S TRUE. >> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. THAT'S TRUE. >> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE THAT'S TRUE. >> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL >> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE YOUR LIFE? IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR REMEMBER? PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR REMEMBER? >> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED REMEMBER? >> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A >> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE HOUSE. BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE HOUSE. BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH OF THE HOUSE. BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS. THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS. AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS. AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP EXPERIENCE. SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP EXPERIENCE. I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS EXPERIENCE. I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION. IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION. I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH GO BACK TO THE QUESTION. I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THAT FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THAT PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I PART OF SOMETHING THAT PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED ALONE, AND THAT'S AN COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED ALONE, AND THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND ALONE, AND THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT THE FILM WAS ABOUT. GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT THE FILM WAS ABOUT. IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN THE FILM WAS ABOUT. IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE DO SOMETHING THAT THEY WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE DO SOMETHING THAT THEY COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY. DO SOMETHING THAT THEY COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY. THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY. THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF LEADERSHIP. THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF LEADERSHIP. AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER LEADERSHIP. AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM -- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM -- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS -- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO DO IT AGAIN. TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO DO IT AGAIN. >> [APPLAUSE] DO IT AGAIN. >> [APPLAUSE] >> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR >> [APPLAUSE] >> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT >> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S POLITICIANS? AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S POLITICIANS? >> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM POLITICIANS? >> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM THE SET? >> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM THE SET? >> [LAUGHTER] THE SET? >> [LAUGHTER] >> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I >> [LAUGHTER] >> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I -- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE >> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I -- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO -- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I CALLED MYSELF YOUR META TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I CALLED MYSELF YOUR META PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I CALLED MYSELF YOUR META PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING. TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING. WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING. WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE, FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE, BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE, BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS STANDING AROUND, PLAYING AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS STANDING AROUND, PLAYING UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE STANDING AROUND, PLAYING UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER, WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER, DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER, DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S WRONG, AND I SAID TURN TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S WRONG, AND I SAID TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE WRONG, AND I SAID TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL, AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL, WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL, WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG? WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG? >> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG? >> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN. >> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN. I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE SEEN. I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE PRESIDENT. I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE PRESIDENT. >> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU PRESIDENT. >> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU DO? >> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU DO? >> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT. DO? >> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT >> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED >> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS THING HE DOES, HE STARTS STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS THING HE DOES, HE STARTS TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE THING HE DOES, HE STARTS TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE -- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE -- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND -- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF, BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF, LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF, LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE. WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE. AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY. JUSTICE. AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY. I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY. I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SENTIMENTAL. MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SENTIMENTAL. I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S IT'S SENTIMENTAL. I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES, THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES, THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES, THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE REPEATED MORE. AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE REPEATED MORE. >> [APPLAUSE] TO SEE REPEATED MORE. >> [APPLAUSE] >> OKAY. >> [APPLAUSE] >> OKAY. AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION >> OKAY. AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN RICHMOND! OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN RICHMOND! >> [APPLAUSE] RICHMOND! >> [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY CAPTION ASSOCIATES, LLC WWW.CAPTIONASSOCIATES.COM

Contents

Democratic primary

Candidates

Results

Democratic primary results
Party Candidate Votes %
Democratic Paul E. Patton (Incumbent) 348,468 100.0

Republican primary

Candidates

  • Peppy Martin, perennial candidate
  • David Lynn Williams, perennial candidate

Results

Republican primary results[1]
Party Candidate Votes %
Republican Peppy Martin 19,248 51.27
Republican David Lynn Williams 18,295 48.73
Total votes 37,543 100

General election

Results

Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1999[2]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
Democratic Paul E. Patton (Incumbent) 352,099 60.70% +9.81%
Republican Peppy Martin 128,788 22.20% -26.51%
Reform Gatewood Galbraith 88,930 15.33% +14.93%
Natural Law Nailah Jumoke-Yarbrough 6,934 1.20%
Write-ins 3,323 0.57%
Majority 223,311 38.50% +36.32%
Turnout 580,074 20.4%[3]
Democratic hold Swing

References

  1. ^ "Archived copy". Archived from the original on 2011-07-21. Retrieved 2011-04-01.CS1 maint: archived copy as title (link)
  2. ^ "Archived copy". Archived from the original on 2011-04-13. Retrieved 2011-04-01.CS1 maint: archived copy as title (link)
  3. ^ http://elect.ky.gov/SiteCollectionDocuments/Election%20Statistics/turnout/1996-2000/99gen.pdf
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