National Aquaculture Act of 1980

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uh... for those of you don't normally my means of yours form and im director of the alberni environmental coalition and uh... we've been following the return call prospect the part of her need to come here coal port just started when the drinking here wanting and union contribute to that but week we have been given federal government funding to be participants in the review of raven coal and uh... of the project our expectation and uh... john projects that c_e_o_ of the raven projection said that they're gonna have their studies done by the third for the first quarter means the end of march still gonna move ahead so we're expecting something happening and so everybody's been ramping up their the people there concerned about the projects her wrapping up this is a decent and this was one of them one so we thought was an event that we could do to kind of highlight so i'm introduced the speakers and uh... we got roberta stevens is with the d_c_ shellfish association and john snyder there's roberta roberta stevenson stands for and and john snyder from pool watch he will do their topics and stuff like that but but i'm doing the commercial traffic the for the first commercial is that there will be donation vase looks like it was passed around if you're able to contribute to stb towards the cost of this even we'd appreciate it and the reason that we talked about the the albury environmental coalition is been around for thirty plus years and for i think since about nineteen eighty nine sometime in the nineteen th late nineties re re-worded and uh... where we work for him with the efforts of bob's going and joy johnson we were successful in getting funding from the uh... gaming associations that were around so but this year we've had our severely cut so were in that kind of time of our life that decide whether we can we've got enough money to run through this year should decide whether we can continue on and so on needs financial support normally we were fineman doing we're doing so that's the first commercial if you can't afford something we'd appreciate it the second commercial list for popped up and giving at this place this night next week twenty-eight we've been an operator market garden insult the farmers market and i've been have given parts about organic gardening for well quite a while fifth once a year fifteen times and fifteen years or more and we have a lot of people think this this year were doing now approximate entitled gardening for life the by a dynamic way so we're talking about by a dynamic gardening and would be more than happy to people are interested in gardening and gardening and holistic fashion it'll be a very interesting discussion here so without will have the do speakers and then question answers uh... wrap-up two movements and pine sol i'm gonna invite roberta stevenson to represent traffic rollers of british columbia of which there are some incinerator this is gonna be fun i'm really glad this is a small crowd is as my companion knows i worried about it hiking tell you i have made this presentation many many times over the last year i don't have speaking notes because i've got a kind of memorized and every time i get a seated outside and i don't hurt so you never know when i'm in a state and i don't know you there what's happened with this presentation is three years ago we started dealing with this issue itself as far as i'm going to use the term levi really i've worked for than shellfish growers industry association it is comprised of a hundred and sixty paid members grow a quiet shellfish in this province of around thirty million dollars worth of product and i work for a board of directors like most attribute these doing and uh... is eleven people on the board in there from hyderabad all the way down the coast west coast east coast all of british columbia so that's my ek fate worse than death is working for eleven businessmen who are all pretty starch uh... rednecks in their own right who don't tend to be much on the tree hugger level this is the first time in the sixty years of this organization has been operative that ever have they passed a motion to say business actor about study and understand we do not opposed to other businesses pro-business reproach ops we wanna see our province growin prosper and uh... it's it's a win-win in most circumstances but this mind is in the wrong place to prime time what you said also to that you know what i've given this talk so many times an you know nice clean audience i hope you guys tonight no hard questions versus oftentimes it can be a very hard line against them for example i gave the same time at economic summit for vancouver island and and i'm all and i was on a panel of uh... some pretty black sea people including uh... call my guys so a you know it's always challenge to be within that group so thank you for being a friendly school audience super alberni i really appreciate it and i'm gonna get the same presentation as i said that we always get and uh... we're very proud of what we do here in british columbia as i said an industry that's been growing shellfish certainly in the based on recent region for a hundred years now hard to believe it it's certainly not in its infancy and we do employ about a thousand people in in that regard we feel that were capable of taking on reagan old because we offer an awful lot of jobs and generate a lot of money as well so we feel like that we can take this on in equal playing field into that and i have given this presentation as i said many times and i just wanted to know and given it to all the rotary clubs i've had to give it to campbell river uh... uh... different town councils and uh... is the following speaker after me whilst tell you we're very proud of the fact that uh... after we gave this presentation to the regional district of comox traffic on a they did pass a motion to break on this uh... coal-mining too we have more studies done there after i gave a presentation macomb ox town council they also passed in equal motion and putting the brakes on this until more studies were done and following that and saving it for last week gave one to the courtney town council and they also now have passed a motion equally as strong and before that the cumberland town council passed an equal kind of motion but now i'm told on february twenty fifty one they will do in equally strong motion so i'd like some of the day passes of our supporters in this cause and uh... cole watchin ourselves and everyone else involved is very proud of the fact that that's a pretty impressive list i really believe that we are making headway i do believe that our message is getting out and i want to tell you that we're not gonna stop until this thing is stopped what do we have a risk we have a lot of risks we have uh... a lot of jobs we have a lot of money but more importantly then all that we have moody of foo mood at risk that nowadays is pretty precious and this picture itself is from the west coast of ankle rylan i want you to know that uh... while western bank over island does not cost as much shellfish farms is other areas potentially you have breadbasket here that is absolutely incredible this picture is taken up by fair harbor and it's a kind you get checked the set first nation farming shellfish up in that region we do know that doesn't market for our products is insatiable in fact it we can grow up and the world wants what british columbia house they know that our waters clean they know that our industries very regulated and because of that we have huge profits and minor food so glad to hear organic grow our own whatever you growing canada and the world knows that that we got at under control here and they can trust the source we didn't get a huge it's requests from you can't try in it to come and buy our products because educated people in china and other parts of the world know that their products are as highly regulated and and west seafood uh... they're not willing to risk eating a lot of it so as i said are are production has uh... substantial and ten i'll use this slide just emphasize the fact that we do generate revenue for the province uh... here's the tonnage that we uh... grow this is a twenty ten stat and uh... we are were not increasing our production for many reasons and all talk about that later but as you probably are familiar with jack starlight like to throw this in because a long time ago maybe twenty years ago it was said the statement and it is so true we cannot keep the last of the last of the last and pharmacy is something that is sustainable it's green it's potion wise it's uh... it's got every good label on it it's now considered organic and we're very proud of that so around the world they recognize firm shellfish is the best choice on the menu but we do have a hurdles facing us in this food production and when i give this talk this is where i jump into the bad part the number one hurdle for us is raven coal mine now you would think that wouldn't be more than ocean acidification bushing acidification people here probably familiar with it but it's where global warming has made our oceans acidity change the ph level has gone on a wacky sort of rise that has created a real crisis for selfish to reproduce the aren't able to make their shells at the same density be there uh... well you know in a if the future holds the worst case scenario we're gonna all have to learn to love t chile fish 'cause that's what's growing really well in today's climate not really but cell battery you know follows through with that we're having a hard time finding seed to grow our animals anymore we buy our see-through hatcheries in washington state they're having a hard time producing waster seed right now uh... and and were highly regulated industry has everything in canada is regulated to death and uh... there's a tight margin there i mean you wonder where there's not more selfish farming in your own backdoor and i can tell you that doing business at the bottom this in mind here is very expensive the shellfish farms that do operate down berkeley sound here spend an hour and a half transporting all there their gear and their people in there you know it's a really hard slog for making money and that's why right now the majority of the industry is located right below where the written phone lines and involved teacher instead we we see really at the earliest but right now it's being sent region that is the closest access for labor transport processing airport and and it's a hard thing to compete with so if you wanna make money that's an area that's bs here to do been way down the inlet the recall mind puts us at risk it's only five kilometers from our beaches and for us the wrist acceptance is zero when we started conversing with the raven guys we ask for more testing honor initial meetings three years ago i told them that if they were that confident that they wouldn't put anyone out of business surely they can put up a bond that would assure us of that that we could draw a line if our businesses for were to be shut down so that those families who lost their they're growing opportunities could draw on that money until such time as the water was clean again will as you can imagine that was unmatched as well as our request for more thorough testing so that they have not met our demands and we do consider ourselves this old cliche which is canary in the palm wine and only here at all the time it gets kinda tiresome by a reality we're testing the water every single day in order to sell our products for you to eat we have to prove that they're clean their filter feeders her eating phytoplankton and if the water isn't clean beatty those minerals into their systems and hold onto them and uh... they would become inedible the comox coal miners ishaan clearly here on this map i mean the com article in the raven coal miners shown clearly on the map here and you can see the proximity and i'm sure much of the following speaker will talk to the following a bit more about what's even beyond that but here's our shellfish beds in the band so i'm just bill low the coal mine and uh... you know when i was coming here tonight i was thinking how cool it is that you guys weep we always say food not cool in my line of business so i was happy tonight to see that it was fisheries not call for port alberni because when i think about port alberni you know this whole taka centered around paying sound and when i was coming over here i thought what sport albertine gut feelings and i'm sure john will hit on this it's true why should you worry about being sound you're over here in portal bring about this beautiful land line you got to immediately as a return one of the big things that you got to lose is fisheries i know the people in this region value that river and i want to tell you this thing goes through i don't know maybe you'll learn to like killing fish too the based on region is the focus of the stock we did grow uh... an awful lot of products that we have mostly small family farms and the world wants what we have i've traveled all over the world selling our products as it particularly in europe and being no that this is the food they want to eat our industry amb it as i said operates here on the west coast this particular picture on the left side that i put in there that's uh... the hallway it and way at first nation uh... which you're familiar with but uh... primarily our products to come from being sound when people travel all over the world and another thing that they always come back noting is that they'll be i don't know where it florida are new yorker something nothing and be misters rahman menu people come up to me and say you burnished one t so we do know that we become quite sentiments but um... back to the mining problem this light here is is um... the comparative set we've done as i've said in most of the uh... places that i give this talk and spend the whole time comparing which i need to have to do but the reality is is that money does speak and we feel that we have a good compared of here as i said we have the sixty six hundred full-time jobs in the same region that's under threat by this mine um... in this mine is certainly a good sixteen years we've been now growing shellfish in that region for a hundred years now yang if the water stays clean we can see no reason why we went on other hundred years i myself plan on ending as shortly but uh... i do hope that future generations can enjoy that clean water and carry on the mine is a very short lived operation and uh... bailout to proclaim all kinds of things but uh... mind as i said let me start out at the laboratory results not alone julia issue here because the cost of the future generations is harsh where's that well there's a big blend their goes future generations you know i i it was somebody here was noting that letter in the paper this week from uh... missus miss small lady talked about than mine guys like to say well if we had the mind then surely our children would come back from uh... going on and be able to live close to home and awesome all us parents wish for that my own children live just down the street and am i delighted i gotta tell ya i am but if they had to come back here to work in their even coal mine i might have to see look at you're not by tobacco i don't think that that's necessarily a big drawing card but it is talked about continually by the mine and uh... in reality the cost of clean up after the mines we taking the time to do this uh... research because like collapsed on the stand the shellfish growers have received some federal assistance in hiring two researchers who've specialize in marine biology impart look at the history of mining in the province look at the cost of cleanup afterwards and try to help us to understand interests of this mine so i it's mall print but trust me the numbers arent one thing that we've done in our campaign to stop the mine that is a really good uh... uh... effective tools when we got all of that will declined from below where the old mine wasn't cumberland antique plans from clean beach further down this is a picture of that and it's a very fective tool because yes clams well grow below where the old mines were in cumberland but as you can see they're not very attractive and at this point my talk i'd like to do a comparative about our ability to brand or product to sell to the world it is tainted we have to tell people please either product you're really enjoy it and find a way it's grown adjacent to a coal mine the branding damage for us of having a mind that post-war beds will be substantial there's a cost about that i haven't taken the time to calculate but hopefully one of these days we well because it's a total branding issue and branding is everything in our markets so when we do go dancin we take the time to take the two different plans uh... we find that to be very effective i mentioned that day was familiar with your area and i wanted to by inserted the slide particularly just for this talk i wanted to uh... give a little background to the fact that um... seven years ago uh... for five years i worked for the challan tribal council the map their shows no lefthand corner and the ni challan its reach and uh... i have to tell you i they really enjoyed my time with them any opportunities that they have in this region are insatiable there are some beaches any areas on the west coast of ankara on that support shellfish aquaculture unlike anywhere else on the planet there's so much tidal flow of nutrient rich water that farming shellfish on the west coast of vancouver island should the prices rise which i think they will globally into the future is is anna ary mark bubble opportunity when i did the work with you charlie that they want to be elders and asked them how to brown their product and one of the things that stick steering near to my heart was that the elders say that they always had a saying out here in each element plan which is when the time vote that table lists that now how cool is that if we were really believe that when the tide is out the table is set then i'm counting on them to protect this resource the first nations have been fairly quiet about where they stand at this you'll see on the on the list of supporters that i've handed out uh... you know that we are getting a lot of play back from them but i do believe in my heart and i and i will never speak for for a others but i do believe that they are concerned and i think will be hearing more from them in the upcoming months because this land is very precious and as i said it has huge opportunity and we don't want to put that at risk what's gonna happen when this alberni inlet has to be dredged to be just a bit bigger to comedy ships what's gonna happen to that river at that time i'll leave that to john schneider to predict but ain't gonna be pretty so i do you know the west coast vancouver island quite well but i also know how to party and every year we have a shellfish party in in the comox valley that uh... s the tickets we sell two hundred twenty tickets and we still out in in about two and a half days in april for an event that we do in june people come from all over at the world dinner with us you really need to trust me on this what we have here is precious um... and it's been proven over and over again the tourism opportunities the culinary opportunities the branding opportunities we feel confident that is the world becomes a more more unfortunetly contaminated place there's fewer and fewer places that are clean enough to grow our products and how precious isn't that we can do that here the world wants what we have we can grow enough of it and i'm here to ask you all today to help us support clean growing water in the region and keep the areas of it you know we might all be paroled they're so cute recession things are going to hell in a handbag but will be able to eat food is becoming something pretty precious and uh... were proud of what we grow maggie y came well shellfish one oh one for just one minute in in the summertime when the water gets where we have a bib real which is a organism that draws quickly if it's heated up that many animals carry it and if they're not transported within four hours to a certain cold temperature they're not edible and because the alberni canal is is long as it is it's often impossible for farmers on the west coast bank over i'm going to get the products it into refrigeration quickly enough to transport is a huge issue but also testing the product for it to be clean enough there are not a lot of testing stations so it's a chicken and egg without those kind of and infrastructure yeah e it's a a long story that made short there's a few issues maggie i mean one thing that's happened bad on the west coast of vancouver island that hasn't happened anywhere else is the sea otter sea otters decimated many of the shellfish beds in in each element territory the second bad thing that's happened uh... uh... adjustment but no no so it's a it's a sea otter it's a lack of testing facilities uh... it's red tides red tides are increasing i mean uh... you know nowadays we're getting read to heights that lasts all year long in in a local vernon lead over byline and power reverts but primarily out here it's constituting business it's the high fuel costs and the distance that the farmers have to run so that they can't come home every night and i know it might working with the new challenges people then not coming home at night very on popular so the staying out camping makes it very costly but as the demand for the product increases in the price goes up which now is i believe that that a lot of that will be dealt with there's there's there that's a that's a huge topic for another day as you know there's so many issues that that make up that uh... lack of capacity uh... but that but the opportunity remains and i can tell you when i went with the not grant to europe the uh... european populace especially germans are extremely aware culture that we have here with the nato with are absent aboriginal people and i think huge selling point i'd as well and all the best thing that the government could do would be too stopover regulating us we have uh... seventeen regulators to deal with that makes it very onerous and not just waste people's time but shellfish farming is is between a rock and a hard place were not fishermen and we're not farmers and as you know with the fin fish issue are rising in british columbia um... there was a court decision that suddenly we would belong to d_f_ all rather than the provincial government and that's like throwing out the baby with the bath water because now we're under the guise of department official is an ocean which is has historically damage so many fisheries but now the they're afraid to do anything and we're dealing with a very old-school populace so part of my job is is to go out on a wiry couple months in and lobby the federal government to acknowledge that that we are farmers not fishermen so we're not a fishery and that's uh... created a stagnant growth in our industry as well it's politics cats are it's sorrentino or sodium crushes unspoken corrupt gold philosophy last night yes please yes that's right yet go figure make no mistake of all i can say one thing about that since it wasn't a question but this is a political issue now okay we're over the science part sciences guy you know if it doesn't studies and they've submitted and that that's not the deal now now that deal is this is about politics so as a male action comes you'll see the people will start ah... running their campaign and and it's your time is that as a voter to asked them for a stance on that now don mcrae has not come out oppose nor in favor uh... but is may approaches he will be squeeze to to make an opinion one way or the other side will make sure that happens and at one of it thanks john schneider drag me out to i had a couple classes the wine annexing you know we were promising a flotilla when they do that win that election happened so now people are calling all the time saying once in a photo we're going to happen so make no mistake we know how to do the media and that we know how to get attention and we will be doing that when the election time comes to make sure that part cuts right had portable politicians r_e_m_ l_a_ uh... expresses gratitude to be invited but was i'm able to leave the house and toria there's lots of stuff going on down there but now yeah what about pardo bernie well one of the things that the environmental coalition has been involved in for a long time was the half want from the pokemon over forty or fifty years below duo empty here somehow in our historic past history someone gave us a videotape or and it was a videotape in those days when we saw of uh... dis for just the bottom of the enlightenment it was done with a cannon ball on the end of a cable mckenna ball mannerism mark uh... like one meter high from cannonball and it was dropped periodically down the online great so rate near the old fall there was sludge that was meter deep and it went ok i think they were talking and miles in those days when i went over ucla law murder dropping down you know virtually and measurable and over the years there's been a certain amount of analysis done about sludge and it contains like some pretty bad starts dioxins syrians pcb mercury harm because a lot of highly technical dioxins you the most toxic manmade chemicals known to man right demonstrate the called man me and it's poison made human beings men reason that's all that's the uh... but that's the uh... that's the legacy that we have track if you're right that legacy and we were we were always the coalition does always lobbying i don't even know how we got the film but we don't have a post-test somehow showed up on them had to be back to some but it was uh... we were always lobbying to get it over there that this slideshow right who were kept lobbying are lobbying lobbying and eventually the uh... mood movement scientists and the uh... hemingway told us that best thing to do is not to disturb it but they get it covered over with the silk knits from uh... the rivers and you've got it covered over or you could do it actually cup cover over but so what has happened is that with insulted over which is a way that toxic chemicals were taken on a bit pretty human environment here in the earth while developed life they've sequestered lots of bad things in portions and uh... rivers and streams like that but we do have pay toxic sludge here raven colours proposing at least to dredge some of that i can you know we've been concerned about it and uh... i've never really got an adequate answer you know the the yeah guys that were overseeing the uh... development companies science here song or you know they're gonna tell cyber they're going to pass that not in terms of is it going to get resuspended blindly cooperation on this call port protesting at the see whether it's it's safe to picked it up and profit some work seniority or that they have to put it on one great that's what we're testing not passing it about what impact could this have in the fishery could it could be performed really and uh... but we don't know we'd were not able to answer that question but we passed the question but it didn't get answered in the uh... submissions that were put forward about what they're going to look for and that will see you know i remember when the first plans came over about the hair application information requirements i a m i spoke at the meeting and so i was a underwhelmed what day propose to do here and has really change from beginning to end and still underwhelmed so the science that's being done is not worthwhile death cert so i can answer the questions that we have so roberto is it accurate and it's not going to be a political fight sold out some dot us the other things up concerned as well as well you're gonna have coldness potentially blowing around with someone's house fifty meters away that's not good slide guitar whole community and pam whether they solve out or not they're not gonna solve the whole problem of diesel exhaust here and that's a big concern right and that's going to be mothers of their same three tracks on our forever who aren't on the roundout sixteen years at spots about playing mcnair something that could be done about that mineral proposals that buchanan so anyhow bastions of just to say where we consider but we are concerned about our fishery here because i can't that has a bit of a risk associated with it so to bring you up-to-date i guess on the political level of the project john snyder who is uh... main man i guess as far as uh... nicole articles and it's been their public face and uh... than extremely valuable job for all of us sometime bring us up-to-date writer yet flange now a little bit so um... my presentations not to be hard to act like for burgess was she's a hard act to follow all do my best so when my name is john snyder omni president of coal watch comox valley eleven fannie bay and uh... on them pretty involved in with this issue for the last three and a half years initially went to the first uh... homie uh... november of two thousand nine went compliance set out to be for community what they propose to do it and subsequently about a month lady we had our own tell-all meeting decided that um... reformer group and that's all qual walked with started and i started out to you soon probably one of two things and now i'm doing quite a few things but it's well worth it because uh... many people in my community are very concerned so what i'd like to do is just give you a general update a all types in a couple subjects that were parolee already young elaborated on and uh... the first is the local uh... quarterly government motions that were passed by the uh... comox valley regional district comox town council in the city council and uh... were hoping uh... on the the troubled council will re reiterate their concerns and pass a motion similar to the ones that were passed by the other three local governments what basically these motions o really reiteration zip you will love them motions that were passed in two thousand ten and uh... basically all of their themselves when im he did so uh... reported just said she went around and was given this presentation since one of these local governments so consequently they plenary read looked looked at this issue again decided to take action without going into the details basic what their they're doing your opposing the for the processing of the application until about three things are done comprehensive walked for mapping union around the mine site bain sound baseline studies and uh... a renewed call for an independent review panel but public hearings utah that's basically what they're saying uh... and i think they're long overdue and and i'm glad you did we get to begin taking these motions certainly courtney in my opinion um... if you would ask me four months ago if they would've revisit this probably toughest nut to crack in my opinion but uh... through armful a lot of uh... hard work for a lot of people including roberta uh... we were successful in getting these motions passport but i wonder what i wanted to do is on dirt public characterize them as a fairly conservative city council by a large um... dictate you uniquely wilson and and and so on former firmly reasonable we're going to do what you did it to give you the remarks made during the debate on the resolution and i was sitting in the peanut gallery went well this was being said in these remarks were counselor john ambler for just one of what she'll listen to what he had to say during the debate all this was uh... quoted in the newspaper in the pool march delegate uh... he was saying that there's a growing concern from everybody i talk to you that the cost would be too high when he was talking about the if they pull my work come about you then go to the presentation from the bt show push growers association the couple weeks ago urging poor need to take action on the issues and mississippi is wall is the worst kind of summing up how he was in a boating obviously they voted unanimously so he was voting expressing his uh... his intentions double replaced it to bring in one industry at the destruction of another is robbing peter to pay pall yadda this is not and i development this is not invite industry it's just not anti-gay anything this is for all this is protecting an existing industry disservice world for a hundred years and will continue to serve us well i think those coming from him john m worries i don't know who you know he's like consider mcdonnell-douglas of reason on the court and counsel but this is a very conservative council song his words i guess to be were somewhat profound low levels uh... the local high level of public concern an opposition that's ever uh... i think it's very significant and and uh... in no small part these uh... these emotions were passed on the through the efforts of uh... roberto that's that's a great question perhaps you should uh... they weren't put i think that's a great idea so uh... a couple of the things so but what i wanted to do it but not another couple things i just want to share with you there's a lot of this stuff palm this happening on our neck of the woods over their own outside of the home problem of a lot of the stuff filters over over here or not i know spektr either said in this mess a lot of this stuff too your newspaper some of the explaining some of it don't we some of us some of you might be in our list serve since ever so processing the fact that uh... development yesterday was that uh... the environmental law center uh... issued a request to the uh... to europe the heart of uh... soon the uh... health officer uh... issue no drinking water hajur protection order uh... from the pros martin the effects of the propose more in our drinking water to me it's just really significant development and uh... the berlin wall clinic has been working on this for running to class let alone when i asked him to look into it and uh... marketing when before me stay market went before details of what we're asking for a bit basically ah... it was requested to drinking water officer issuer drinking water health hazard prevention order regarding the proposed raven pull project persuade to section twenty five the drinking water protection act so that they did this on our behalf we with the client and uh... so they'd they sent a letter to uh... doctor hanson is the uh... the uh... health officer on that island for the bank who were on adult authority so basically what we were what the world sold this is like a fifteen page request to move they set up reasons why were asking what we're asking for and uh... you know section twenty five b_ of the drinking water protection that part of our cars authorizes you being doctor reinstate issue an order if you have reason to believe there is a significant restoring imminent drinking water health hazard now we had doctors yields when when there's a noted hydro geologists hydrologists from the normal and uh... we have been uh... dual report based did he needed a review of the error yeah yes missus the situation where principal just talked about all the time and time again what it is it's cooks it sets out the informational requirements that they if the applicant has twin clued in there application to complete to make sure everything's completed a replication so heave review uh... the terms of reference and uh... basically all also soul will continue your says attach please find the latest report repair body springsteen highly respected by both geologists an engineer doctored usually his report clearly demonstrates that there is a reason to believe that the proposed for my poses a significant risk of an imminent drinking water health hazard furthermore dr women's report shows that the currently propose assessment process and monitoring program will not adequately addressed at bristol a lot of our request was based on his report and you know basically what we've seen so far week we don't think that the the at environmental assessment process so far as uh... is adequate so so that's where we are a perfect got a lot of us it was uh... cbc radio and chatman setup uh... of story on it so it just one piece of the polls in the world looking at and uh... i think uh... uh... roberto alluded to the shop which were fit their workforce boris supple wrist is the world from the mind and i would reiterate that from living in fanny bay on have my own probably all so in that area there's to uh... first to improve water improvement districts defended the waterworks anna ships point improvement district both of those well water districts signed on in support and endorsed people are like myself will come in the door vol in between and we have our own trend welds so were all beastly and supporters walkers will not only worried about wanting were worried about quantity because uh... in my neighborhood we had three people who were in once ran dry last year we had and i'm normally dreicer but the view that as it may uh... we still stay still ran out of water and some of these people been used these worlds for thirty five years uh... you know what would happen if you got it all morning rental mon headquarters at the old street for him where the ramifications for that so obviously you can you can see where were pretty concerned so uh... when we looked at your drinking water protection act wheat we realized that most of it was designed to huge yuki you could take action after you were harmed in other words you know your water legal ran out of water you couldn't drink the water we decides that's what we're told that by men along clinic we'd like to look at this from a different perspective whether or not we can take a proactive approach this and and it's and say that there's a eminent wrist were warmer and and that's what we've done so the balls in the port of the uh... public health officer with uh... with the formal wilson she welcomes that uh... i think it was pretty significant the reason i bring this up is it this might not be a big deal for you guys did u you got your own as usual here anderson you gotta understand that this project all aspects of this project are connected the airship faulty here in portal bernie gary alluded to uh... the uh... issues and concerns over the dredging you've got to do so for tickets to get the people worried about the transportation coalitions highway for what's gonna happen to the fisheries of all everything disorganized or concerns on our side of the hall but were all connected you can't you if the that the cold and coming out of here doesn't come out of the ground anytime in the portal permit you don't worry bout pulled pork and it's all it's it's all interconnected and you know when you hear talk about well you might want we both did it and the in what ways but make no mistake mit mr patrick says been very clear that or bearers zeroed in on port alberni have support because when they started the environmental suspect they had to basically make up their mind where the port was going to be about sport that's in the scope of the assessment anything they change is good be outside of that scope and they would have to be sick they call time out and uh... is it it caught somebody at the huge sum of money probably john capital you could probably manage it is not too keen on so finally i what i like to do is give me an update appointee and on where we're at it environment assessment process so uh... i would add to that the a_r_d_ i guess which stands for application information requirements uh... and the federal side this paul beaver middle impact statement terms of reference where everyone to call it that's was formalize in june of two thousand twelve finalize there's no more commenting it spits basically cast in stone six ten the proponent has been um... compiling a replication and at some point they will submit it to mean there was talk back in october they were going to drop in anytime then it was january latin leader singer for years uh... is being shipped important called intend to all subpoenaed shit submit it possibly lately random this month or early march but uh... it said the body's yes so once they do submit it it has to be what they call screamed screening means it that the mister b eight to ten thousand pages by the way all twelve dollars excuse me yes with them yeah that's with the drawings in their tendencies and everything so it's usually gets you know allot of stuff so it's admitted to the regulators prevention week and uh... federally and then they they have a timeline of thirty days to look at the saying in and make sure it's pouring for complete not adequate the complete numbers they have to make sure that all the stuff that's required in the terms of references included in that in the in the application now uh... i've been told that by about roughly fifty percent of them roughly fifty percent of the ones that are submitted bowl passed most of the first over other people you go back to the drawing boards than that the clock stopped the get go back to the drawing board and uh... in in indicate complete so if it passes muster then um... the was uniform iti get all ready to go and submit to the public will use the public will be a seven-day public uh... heads up a called announcement public announcement that it's coming out and then we're off and running on a hundred eighty days applications david the first part of that would be a fifty-day from that period and uh... if they for instance if they were going to make it first march by trieste uh... the you'd be looking at the poem public comment period starting saved mid april fifty days wpm you can see were we might uh... i think it is quite possible we're going to be in an election mode in a puppet government period all won't seem to be very interesting to say at least keep a lot of people are very busy at the end of the uh... quaterly d_-day application review stage the reserve report from the from the canadian vinyl cellspacing ended the issue no simple bc of our middle system office made uh... made to the ministers of embargo verbally provincial even they have forty five days to make a decision so idaho i'd take baby body into this year will have a decision by the ministers one way or the other i'm just guessing uh... that it gets in entirely possible but it's all depends on one compliance interested rampant region and it it's complete or not i guess the final thoughts i would add is that uh... last year have three-and-a-half years that i've been a ball to me there's no absolutely no evidence theaters antisocial license for this project in either community or daliberti uh... promotes valley now compliance is doing everything except brought hundred-dollar bills from a helicopter to try to get people to to make this attractive to the attracted today residents in the form of telling airport alberni bit and you know three-and-a-half years in my opinion was there's absolutely no evidence of a social licensing that has to be earned by the proponent failed the test my opinion if somebody wants to disagree they can if they want to show me the evidence i'd like to see if it the reason i say that i mean it was really if you look at it nearly five thousand comments today that's driven into written honecker's ninety five percent on norms part should definitely concerned were opposed to the project yours local government concern aren't we just talked about detective it in and at the levels in the pool marks valley even died but failed to mention uh... welcome beach town council they passed the motion which i think by far is the best of all the test at back in september of two thousand ten so all blown board yet you were brought us talk about the shellfish industry certainly um... there's been some written concern from first nations uh... in their comments during the uh... drafting of the air so forth dinner in the attracting table sold to help a lot of concern but what i think what i'd like to end with today give everybody a pat on the back in here who's been uh... working on this for the last three and a half years you efforts or making a difference i can tell you that for sure what are you you've got a sign in your yard whether you've got a bumper sticker whether u written letters to the editor of whether you're going to tell all meetings papa clapton's in your house whatever might be but installed making a difference believe me uh... this is a high profile one middle assessment you know megan bolivia learning a lot of people who go what raymond cool mind but still the decision makers uh... frosted she'll uh... give yourself a pat on the back of the same time to devastate focused put travel fee credible information out there we got to be make at the end of the day we gotta make whoever the next government is prevention lee in the election of may well this year wherever the government of the day is going to be in des moines global said uh... port most likely will be the same government that's in there right now we got to be prepared to make it a credible argument uh... in office issued to this proposal soul i think we're making a difference some days it doesn't seem like like i really do devastate cuban even tial schism this is america online desperate stay engaged and uh... stay informed and uh... i think we're going to be successful and beaten this tools that it will take some questions if you have any saw entertain questions balls input incom berlin i have no idea i could hybrid i really couldn't tell you that i come down for picket winston for several decades at least i think i i think roberta more murderer come on up here moniker so that's a great question that was then this is now the world is in the same please do the food we them and the shit we put up with them in the people that died in those mines ma'am they're not going to be doing it now 'cause it's no longer permissible practice we don't need food it's contaminated anymore we tested to death that's where kids you know they can eat a slightly more than because it seems to be put them into mister seat still there twenty people are not willing to accept the risk anymore it will not eat food it's contaminated so sure deepak tang everybody worked in them you know i mailed out black lung disease in the middle but now we don't do that so ides that's my point thing food compact like one more day get make you talk about cumberland what we cover when uh... mind that call that brought it down to place called union day in a small to get down there anders what they call the the waste called files right you're right now that's been i think they'd gave actually did that happen to know walt nineteen early nineteen sixties endorsed your today's date rape doesn't work probably mediated last and you of last estimates going to cost seventeen million dollars to immediate it's still to this day closing formal so the long-term effects from this from these poor minds is astronomical long-term yet i hi haven't followed by closely enough to speak novelty book moment is should ask the port authority of a right environmental fault well there's some members here we could did consider it right i don't know of a answer those questions said but uh... from what i've heard is that the container port is actually gonna be halfway down the inlet because the harbor itself is next to big enough for the container ships are just too big they can't even turn around sold think european dredging down there don't know the actual pork that they want to do is actually down and i think it's i remember the name david at work that's where they were thing in the container ships 'cause the harbors thanks chris we will make more of an effort this week once again ted tran approach that counsel ticket an opportunity cassettes i think like to say it's timely everyone else's on its own make them look uh... will make sure to get some media they don't do it i have i will say i've been really disappointed in the new challenge tribal council not accepting my invitation to speak to them annie hall that reconsider and i'm hurt by it actually because uh... they had john topix com i wanted to speak alongside of him uh... side by side is my favorite with both of us uh... together but they decline that offer and and and and and i was away and they asked again so you know i am story ching up to them so i think it's time now that we've got the other side like to say to start coming over here a little more and uh... thank you for that just off just on the council stuff we're going to b environmental coalition is basically going to the meeting monday night ask them what are they going to do with me we tempelsman twelve thousand pages stuff to review and will suggest it would be a useful thing for them put here so i've got yet but it's interesting and instants further we uh... originally theory that i'd suggest org tractors people instead uh... it's a long story we're going to take it ac or dot and purchase and really organized at least that john topics leaking their presentation and and uh... unit and we have a experts there or experts there representing purchase and shot and re addressed our questions directly to them uh... spirit here's and difference of opinions uh... sat site except starters territory and just do the best technique too to moves salinas speaking here x uh... exp and marietta texas tech district councils me here site at uh... at st powers that c expert and experts respond but that's not turned out one thing it one thing i'd like to mention to you before but forget is that i think there's ah... might see visible flyers around here somewhere uh... visit between of call watch water kumar slowly waterworks coalition and sierra club co marks fairly we um... with together in the web site which is which is a database collector in other words when you saw if you go to website rec raven mine action dossier um... you can look at what we're all about some of the issues on the mind and that if you want to put in europe for basement put on the database we can contact you directly here and they got to get an email one-week we're gonna need to do something like an actual worked so if you would if you would consider of looking at the website i'd appreciate if you want but your information and your date they join if i think right now we got four hundred and fifty people on there we can often run for a couple weeks old that's what that's all about it for shit and have a question more were were photographs for with too or it the interim so italy 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