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Sir John Oglander, after an unknown artist
Sir John Oglander, after an unknown artist

Sir John Oglander (12 May 1585 – 28 November 1655)[1] was an English politician who sat in the House of Commons from 1625 to 1629. He is now remembered as a diarist.

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I've been writing extra material for a book based on the conversation that Jack McElroy and I had, that we put on YouTube. I was working on the chapter "Was King James a Homosexual?" and I came across some extra information that I'm adding to the book. I tried it with people here at Chick. They loved it! Then I asked some of you guys on Facebook if you'd like a little ammunition to deal with the "King James is gay" people. Would you like to hear what I found? Hi, I'm David Daniels from Chick Publications. Every ruler has his enemies. And King James was certainly no exception. And he was Scottish, not English. A lot of people were upset about a Scot taking over England. He was James I of England, but James VI of Scotland! Add to that the fact that his mother was Mary Stuart, who was beheaded for treason against Queen Elizabeth, and you have a pot full of seething anger for some people. King James VI and I had seven main detractors that anti-King James people love to trot out: Francis Osborne, Sir Edward Peyton, Sir Simonds D'Ewes, John Hacket, David Moysie, Sir John Oglander and Sir Anthony Weldon. They had a number of things in common. They all were political and religious opponents, all were racists (or at least anti-Scot), and all spread rumors and gossip. In short, these guys all had a beef against James. They wanted James to give them something or do something for them (as most people do, who hang around kings), and he said No. And they were upset about it. They had something else in common. They never witnessed the dirty deeds they accused the King of. And of the worst charge, they never at any time witnessed any sodomy between James and anyone else. As Stephen Coston put it, "All the accounts, every single one to the last man all rely upon gossip, innuendo, speculation, conjecture, theory, fear or hypothesis." That's from another one of his books, called "King James and the Hearsay of Homosexuality." What's the point? It's hard to convict anyone of anything when you have no actual evidence. That's damaging enough to the "James was gay" crowd. But there were two more facts that Stephen Coston found, that amazed me: This is Catherine Drinker Bowen right here. 1. After King James died, Weldon seems to have had a change of heart. According to this biographer, Catherine Drinker Bowen, "Yet Sir Anthony Weldon, as scurrilous a chronicler as ever set pen to paper, hater of all Stuarts..., at James' death suddenly relented, finding softer words than many who were to write in later centuries: 'He was (take him altogether and not in pieces) such a king, I wish this kingdom have never any worse ... For he lived in peace, died in peace and left all his kingdoms in a peaceable condition, with his own motto: Beati Pacifici [Blessed are the peacemakers].'" She wrote this back in 1956, p. 465 of that book that you saw. 2. People knew that Weldon's accusations against James (Here's a picture of him from the actual book right there.) People knew that Weldon's accusations against James didn't start until well after the king's death. (If you look over here, it says 1650). But I was astounded to learn that Weldon didn't publish the book that bears his name. This book, "The Court and Character of King James" (it's copyrighted right there), wasn't published until 1650, about a year after Weldon's death! There is the very real possibility that Weldon's words --if they were Weldon's-- were changed by somebody else. And these facts are even admitted by anti-King James writer Michael B. Young. So Sir Anthony Weldon died (this guy) in 1649. This book against King James with his name on it came out in 1650. --That's "a" book. And the same year, out came another book. I found this yesterday. Take a look! See that? "Aulicus Coquinariae" - "Kitchen Courtier" - a person in the king's court who works in the kitchen, is kind of the way it comes out. "Aulicus Coquinariae: or a Vindication in Answer to a Pamphlet Entitled The Court and Character of King James. Pretended to be penned by Sir Anthony Weldon and published since his death, 1650." Now this leaves open the distinct possibility that someone used Weldon's name, since he couldn't have published it, having been dead for about a year. And that's the book that so many quote against James to this day. And look at the date on here. This was written the same year: 1650! So let's sum up. 1. There were a number of English who resented a Scottish King, especially one whose mom tried to take over the kingdom a few years earlier. 2. All the stories about James are based on rumors and gossip. 3. Let me make this clear: There was no eyewitness evidence of their foul accusations. In other words, there is NO EVIDENCE. 4. The main 7 guys against King James were anti-Scot (James was a Scot) and had a personal grief against James. 5. The most famous, Sir Anthony Weldon, actually wrote NICE things after James died, about James. 6. The book accusing King James of being a sodomite wasn't published until after Weldon died --it wasn't even published by Weldon, and at the very least was edited by someone else. 7. Not only that, but there is another book published that same year, 1650, that refutes that book "pretended to be penned by Sir Anthony Weldon." I have so much more information I could tell you, but this is enough ammo for now. God bless you, and have a wonderful day.

Life

Oglander was born at Nunwell House on the Isle of Wight, the son of William Oglander of West Dean, Sussex.[1] He matriculated at Balliol College, Oxford on 8 July 1603, aged 18 and was a student of Middle Temple in 1604. He was knighted on 22 December 1615.[2] In 1620, he was appointed deputy-governor of Portsmouth by William Herbert, 3rd Earl of Pembroke. He resigned in 1624 when he was made Deputy Governor of the Isle of Wight.[3]

In 1625, Oglander was elected Member of Parliament for Yarmouth (Isle of Wight). He was re-elected MP for Yarmouth in 1626 and 1628 and sat until 1629[2] when Charles I decided to rule without parliament for eleven years. During the king's personal rule Oglander was a firm royalist. He became High Sheriff of Hampshire in 1637, and was an energetic collector of ship money.[1][4]

Sir John Oglander lost his deputy-governor position, and was twice arrested by the parliamentarians during the First English Civil War, but was treated leniently in the end, in 1645. He took a concerned interest in the king's safety in 1647 and 1648 when Charles was in Carisbrooke Castle. Warned, however, of informers among the courtiers by Robert Hammond, he backed off. In 1650 he was visited by Henry Stuart, Duke of Gloucester and Princess Elizabeth; was arrested again in early 1651; and was again released on surety.[1]

Nunwell house, home of Sir John Oglander, 1988
Nunwell house, home of Sir John Oglander, 1988

Oglander married Frances More, daughter of Sir George More of Loseley Park in Surrey. He had four sons including William who was created baronet and three daughters.[3] Oglander died at the age of 70.[1]

Diarist

Sir John kept detailed accounts of his household and estate, which survive today. They are of particular interest because they evolved into a personal diary. These records were used superficially by Sir Richard Worsley, 7th Baronet in his History of the Isle of Wight (1781). An edition was published by William Henry Long in 1888, as The Oglander Memoirs.[5][6]

At times of great personal emotion, some entries were written in his own blood. In April 2013, Sir John was one of five contrasting subjects featured in the first episode of the BBC Four series, The Century that Wrote Itself, presented by Adam Nicolson.[7]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e Rigg, J. M. (January 2008). "Oglander, Sir John". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Retrieved 14 May 2012.
  2. ^ a b 'Alumni Oxonienses, 1500-1714: Oade-Oxwick', Alumni Oxonienses 1500-1714 (1891), pp. 1084-1103. Date accessed: 8 May 2012
  3. ^ a b John Debrett, William Courthope, Debrett's Baronetage of England: with alphabetical lists of such baronetcies
  4. ^ Kelsey, Sean. "Oglander, Sir John". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/20604. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)
  5. ^ William Henry Long (editor), The Oglander Memoirs: extracts from the mss. of Sir J. Oglander, kt. (1888); archive.org.
  6. ^ Lee, Sidney, ed. (1895). "Oglander, John" . Dictionary of National Biography. 42. London: Smith, Elder & Co.
  7. ^ BBC Media Centre, Programme information
Parliament of England
Preceded by
Thomas Risley
William Beeston
Member of Parliament for Yarmouth (Isle of Wight)
1625–1629
With: John Suckling 1625–1626
Sir Edward Conway 1626
Edward Dennis 1628–1629
Succeeded by
Parliament suspended until 1640
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