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1852 Atlantic hurricane season

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1852 Atlantic hurricane season
1852 Atlantic hurricane season summary map.png
Season summary map
Seasonal boundaries
First system formedAugust 19, 1852
Last system dissipatedOctober 11, 1852
Strongest storm
 • Maximum winds120 mph (195 km/h)
(1-minute sustained)
 • Lowest pressure961 mbar (hPa; 28.38 inHg)
Seasonal statistics
Total storms5
Major hurricanes
(Cat. 3+)
Total fatalities100+ direct
Total damage$1 million (1852 USD)
Atlantic hurricane seasons
1850, 1851, 1852, 1853, 1854

The 1852 Atlantic hurricane season was one of only three Atlantic hurricane seasons in which every known tropical cyclone attained hurricane status.[1] Five tropical cyclones were reported during the season, which lasted from late August through the middle of October; these dates fall within the range of most Atlantic tropical cyclone activity, and none of the cyclones coexisted with another. Though there were officially five tropical cyclones in the season, hurricane scholar Michael Chenoweth assessed two of the cyclones as being the same storm.[2] There may have been other unconfirmed tropical cyclones during the season, as meteorologist Christopher Landsea estimated that up to six storms were missed each year from the official database; this estimate was due to small tropical cyclone size, sparse ship reports, and relatively unpopulated coastlines.[3]

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For many years the existence of dinosaur fossils was thought to be a problem for creationists and for the biblical account of the creation. Hi, my name is Eric. And what you are about to see is a powerful seminar ... that combines the last 30 years of research done by Dr. Kent Hovind. It is in a field called: crypto-zoology. Which is the study of: hidden animals. This seminar is titled: “Dinosaurs and the Bible” Thank you for joining us; it’s an honor to be here in Indiana. How many have been to one of my seminars before or seen one of my videos? Okay, how many never have? And how many do not understand the question so far? Same three as yesterday. Okay. My name is Kent Hovind. I taught High school Science for fifteen years. And now for the last sixteen years I have been an evangelist. I speak about 900 times a year now on the subject of Creation, Evolution and dinosaurs. I take the position that the Bible is literally true and scientifically accurate. The Evolutionary theory that is taught in our schools, in violation to the first amendment, is the dumbest and the most dangerous religion in the history of planet earth. I live in Pensacola, Florida. I have three kids, one of each. I have them all married the dog died. Praise God I made it and I am home free. And so far we have four grandkids and that’s God reward for not killing your own kids when you thought about it. So hang in there parents - it will be worth it all! All my family lives right around me and they all work in the ministry. So it’s great having kids that love the Lord. A couple are back at the table back there and one running the camera. We have in our back yard in Pensacola, Florida: Dinosaur Adventure Land. I like dinosaurs. Our phone number is: 1-850-479-DINO, (1-850-479-3466) and our web site is: Dinosaur Adventure Land’s number is: 1-850-478-DINO, (or 1-850-478-3466). We like dinosaurs; we have thousands and thousands of visitors come. We have probably have had close to a thousand people get saved coming through our Dinosaur Adventure Land. Everything that we do there has a science lesson and a spiritual lesson, we have a great time using dinosaurs for the glory of God. For the last two hundred years, Christians have been extremely confused about where dinosaurs fit into the Bible. Last night I was witnessing to this lady at the hotel and she said, “I have a friend that told me that dinosaurs never existed.” One guy told me that the Devil put those bones in the ground to fool us. You are going to look like an idiot when you talk to anyone with normal intelligence when you say something like that. Yes, dinosaurs lived, and when did they live? Where do dinosaurs fit into the Bible? Here are two of my grandkids playing with one of the dinosaurs at Dinosaur Adventure Land. We have a wonderful time. Christians though are often very confused where they fit in. What has happened is that Christians have compromised the clear teaching of the Bible in order to accommodate the dinosaurs. That is why they have the “Gap theory” or the “Day Age” or the “Progressive Creation” or “Theistic Evolution.” There is no need to do that. I am going to give you the Biblical view of dinosaurs here this morning. This guy in National Pornographic, I mean Geographic, said that no human being has ever seen a live dinosaur. Now hold on a minute, does he know that or does he think that? He thinks that. There’s no possible way that he can know something like that, unless he talked to everybody that ever lived. Do you think that he talked to Adam or Eve before he wrote that? Did he talk to you before he wrote that? No. Okay that is not something that you can know? The Bible says, (Genesis 1:1) “In the Beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth.” It says “in six days The Lord made Heaven and Earth, the sea and all that in them is.” If he made everything in six days, then Adam must have seen dinosaurs. There’s just no two ways about it. Yesterday we talked in Seminar part 2, about what the Garden of Eden was like. God says let there be a firmament, in the mist of the waters. And let it divide the waters from the waters. We talked about how God originally created the world with a ... canopy of water over head which all fell down at the time of the flood. It’s gone now, and actually most of the water was under the crust of the earth. Psalm 24:1, “The Earth is the Lord’s, ... and he founded it ... upon the seas, and he established it upon the floods.” Psalm 136:6, “He stretched out the Earth above the waters.” I don’t know why Christians can read right over that and not see what it is saying. Most of the water that is now in the oceans used to be down in the crust of the earth. It all came shooting out when the “fountains of the deep” broke open. We cover that in Seminar #6; what caused the flood in the days of Noah. We call it the Hovind Theory so that no one else will be blamed for it. From the Creation 6000 years ago, up until the Flood, 4400 years ago, the world was very different. During that time frame the Bible says that people lived over 900 years. They really honestly did live to be 900 plus years old. Many ancient cultures have legends about what they called an ancient Golden Age. The Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Egyptians, and others ... all talked about a time where man lived to be nearly a thousand. That’s because it’s really true. They really did live to be almost a thousand. In Seminar #2 (“The Garden of Eden”) we covered how reptiles grow all their life. Reptiles never stop growing. So dinosaurs were big lizards that lived with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. The dinosaurs did not live millions of years ago. So the obvious question would be, “Did Noah take dinosaurs on the Ark?” They asked Billy Graham, “Were there dinosaurs on the ark?” “No, Noah’s Ark did not include dinosaurs because they were extinct by the time man got here.” I praise God for all the good that Billy Graham has done, but he is dead wrong about that one. “Dinosaurs on the ark?”, people ask. I hope Noah kept the woodpeckers in a steel cage of some kind ... that will be important later. People say, “Dinosaurs on the Ark?” Now Hovind; they are kind of big aren’t they? The big ones were big, but the little ones were little. You see Noah was 600 years old when he built that big boat. He was probably smart enough to know that you do not have to bring the biggest dinosaurs. You bring two babies, be sure to bring a pink one and a blue one that will be important later, okay. There are all kinds of reasons for bringing babies on the ark. You bring babies because they are smaller. The biggest dinosaur egg is smaller than a football. You bring babies because they weigh less, they eat less, they sleep a lot more, and they are a lot tougher. Do you know that when kids fall they bounce and then they get up and keep running. Adults fall down and break or they lay there a while. Plus you bring babies because after the flood they will live longer to produce the offspring. And that’s the whole reason that you are bringing them. Why on earth would you bring big elephants on the ark? That would be stupid, for multiple reasons. Why would you bring a big giraffe? Just bring babies of everything. God told him to bring two of every sort, not two of every species, no, two of every sort. He said, bring them after his kind, after their kind, after his kind.... The Bible is real clear on that topic. You bring all the kinds, not every species. You only have to bring those the whose nostrils have the breath of life, of those on dry land. Noah did not have to bring any fish on the ark. They had plenty of water outside. He also did not have to bring any bugs on the Ark, because bugs do not have nostrils. Bugs breathe through their skin, through spiracles. Insects were not required to be on the Ark. Insects can survive a flood just fine. Go any place where there has been a flood, after the water goes down. Walk out into the mud and tell me the first thing that you notice. Bugs by the millions and millions, right? Insects did not have to go on the ark. Some of them might have been on there but they did not have to be. Noah did not take 400 pairs of dogs on the ark. Noah probably never saw a Chihuahua in his life. Why did somebody do that to the dog? All that special breading to create a dog that’s 100% useless. Noah probably just had a generic dog like my dog Nikki. We had Nikki for 12 years before I knew what kind of a dog it was. A friend of mine came over and he said Hovind you have a full blooded “Canhardly.” I said, what? He said, “Your dog, that’s a Canhardly.” I said, it is? He said look you “can hardly” tell what kind of dog it is. Ah, yes, a full blooded “Canhardly.” Probably the horse and the zebra had a common ancestor, like this Mexican textbook says. And I would agree, the horse and zebra had a common ancestor. But it looked like a horse - “four wheel drive, genuine leather upholstery” - all the horse equipment. Skeptics say, “How did Noah fit millions of animals onto the ark?” Well, in the first place he only brought land animals. Secondly he brought only those with nostrils, no bugs. Thirdly you bring babies, and that is just common sense. Fourthly, you bring two of each kind, not every single variety, and God made the kinds. And God told Noah how big to build the boat. I bet God had it figured out what size to make it, plus how many animals were there? Many experts will tell you that there are about 8,000 basic kinds of animals in the world. 8,000 basic kinds of animals. Noah had 2 of each kind, now seven of some, I understand. There’s plenty of room on the ark for that. Some atheists say that Adam could never name all of those animals in one day. When I get all excited I can speak 350 words in a minute. At 300 words in a minute you can name all the animals in 26 minutes. Dog, cat, elephant, aardvark, hamster, etc. Plus you have got to figure that Adam had an extremely high IQ. He came straight from the hand of God, fully programmed. Did you know that he could speak every language in the world? Okay, there was only one language then. The guy could walk, talk, and name all the animals and get married the first day. Adam probably had a super high IQ. No problem for him to name all the animals in a half hour. Okay what’s next? What else do you have for me God? Plus how big was the Ark? I have atheists that I debate, they say, “Noah could never put all those animals on the ark.” I say, “Really, how many were there?” They reply, “We don’t know.” I say, “How big was the boat?” “Well we don’t know. ...All we know is that he couldn’t do it!” Oh I see, is that the way this works? It beats what they believe, they believe 18- 20 billion years ago there was a big bang. Where nothing exploded - and made everything. And 4.6 billion years ago the earth cooled down. And it formed a rocky crust, yes, the Planet Earth cooled down and a rocky surface was created. And then as the earth formed, the surface was hot and there were large pools of bubbling lava. This textbook says: “There was no oxygen on the earth; zero percent oxygen. But the rocks absorbed it.” I have been trying to figure that one out for four years. Then “Oceans formed as it rained on the rock for million of years...” “Million of years of torrential rains created the oceans...” And “swirling in the oceans is a bubbling broth of complex chemicals...” “Progress from a complex chemical soup to a living organism is very slow.” Boy, it sure is. It doesn’t even happen at all, that’s how slow it is. “Life on earth may have begun in rocks on the ocean floor.” Wow, all life came from a rock! “The first self replicating system must have emerged in this organic soup.” So according to their theory, 20 billion years ago there was a Big Bang. 4.6 billion years ago the Earth formed. It was a hot ball of rock. And then it began to rain, and rain, and rain, and rain. And finally the oceans filled up. And in the oceans the first living organisms appeared. So great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa was soup. That’s the Evolutionary theory. I didn’t make it up, they did, You can laugh at them if you would like, as far as I am concerned. They asked me to come to a college in Boston to speak one time. I was going to speak at a church there. I said, “Brother, call some of the colleges and see if you can have a debate.” I love to do a debate against these guys in front of their own universities. He called every college within a hundred miles of Boston; there are lots of colleges around Boston. Finally one college said, “No, we don’t want him to come and have a debate, but he can come and speak to our students if our professors can ask him any question, because we would like to show our students how dumb you Christians really are.” I said, “I would be honored to come for that.” So I showed up. There were 6 professors, and all their students. I felt like Daniel in the lion’s den. I got my two time-lines out and I said, “Folks I believe the Bible,” but nobody cheered. I said that I believe that 6,000 years ago God made everything. 4400 years ago God made a Flood. Then everything got destroyed in the Great Flood. Noah had two of each kind, (not species) ... two of every kind on the ark. Since then there have been a whole lot of new varieties produced. And then I told them what they believe. Most evolutionists don’t know what they believe; you have got to tell them. I said, “You guys believe 20 billion years ago there was a Big Bang. And 4.6 billion years ago the earth cooled down. It rained on the rocks for millions years, turned them into soup. And the soup came alive, about 3 billion years ago.” This one professor was getting very angry. (I seem to do that to them.) He said, “Mr. Hovind do you realize that there are nearly 400 varieties of dogs in the world today?” I said, “Sir, I have no idea how many, but 400 sounds good.” He said, “You mean to tell me that you believe that all those dogs came from just two dogs on Noah’s Ark?” He said, “You want me to believe that?” I replied, “Sir, would you look at what you are teaching your students?” You are teaching your students that all those dogs came from - a rock. He didn’t have any more questions after that. I did a debate one time at a university and afterwards this lady came walking down the aisle. Boy, was she mad. The smoke was coming out of her nose. I could tell that she was very angry at me. She came walking straight up toward me. I prayed, “Lord, I am coming home.” She put her hands on her hips and said, “Tonight you told everybody that we believe that we come from a rock. We do not believe that!” I said, “Ma’am you need to calm down; you are going to blow a gasket.” I said, “Ma’am do you believe in evolution?” She said, “Yes, I do. I am a professor here at the university.” I said, “Ma’am, would you please tell me where did we come from?” She said, “We came from a macro-molecule.” I said, “Where did that come from?” She replied, “From the oceans, the pre-biotic soup.” I said, “Where did that come from?” She said, “It rained on the rocks for millions of years....” I could see that it was slowly dawning on her what she really believed. “You know ... I do believe that I come from a rock.” Yes ma’am, you better be careful when you go outside. You had better be careful, don’t step on grandpa. I found her life verse, (Jeremiah 2:27) “Saying to a stock, you are my father, to a stone thou hast brought me forth.” There’s grandpa, the rock that’s right there. I even found my Dad’s life verse in the Bible too, (Matthew 17:15) “Lord have mercy on my son: for he is a lunatic, and sore vexed.” The Bible says, (Genesis 6:11-12) “The earth was corrupt and filled with violence ... ... and God looked upon the earth and it was corrupt; ... All flesh had corrupted his way upon the Earth.” (Genesis 6:13-14) “And God said to Noah, the end of all flesh has come before me. ... ... The earth is filled with violence through them. ... I will destroy them with the earth, make thee an Ark....” And Noah said to his boys, “Boys, go for wood we’ve got to build a boat.” So they went and got all this wood, and they built this huge boat. Now after the flood was over, Noah son had a baby and name him Arphaxhad. Why would any body name a kid, Arphaxhad? Can’t you see that poor kid in kindergarten, “What’s your name son?” Arphaxhad. Do you know how to spell it? No. Nobody does. Don’t you think that one day little Arphaxhad is getting big enough he is sitting on grandpa’s lap. And he’s looking around like kids do, he says, “Hey Grandpa, I have a question, how come we are the only people in the world?” You mean we have this whole planet to ourselves? What happened? Grandpa is going to tell him the story about the flood. Actually, they are going to be talking about the flood for a long time. Down in Pensacola, Florida we are going to be talking about Hurricane Ivan for a long time, and that’s just one little storm. Can you imagine a world wide flood? They will talk about that for centuries. Arphaxhad’s daddy, Shem, (Noah’s son) lived long enough to tell that story to directly to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You will never catch that reading your Bible, but when you graph that out, it is there. Did you know that they are still talking about that Flood in many cultures around the world? So far 270 Great Flood legends have been identified in different countries and cultures around the world. The Hawaiians have a legend that says that “long after the death of Kuniuhonna, the first man ... ... the world became a wicked and terrible place to live.” There was one good man left; his name was Nu-u. He made a great canoe with a house on it, and filled it with animals. The waters came up over all the Earth and killed all the people. Only Nu-u and his family was saved in a boat filled with animals. Sounds like the Bible’s Flood story doesn’t it? The Chinese have a legend called the Hihking classic. They say that Fuhi is the father of their civilization. (The man they know of as Fuhi, is probably Noah.) The story says and Fuhi, his wife and their three sons and three daughters, escaped a great flood. He and his family were the only people alive on the earth. After the Great Flood they repopulated the world. The Toltec Indians in Mexico have a very interesting story. They said the first world lasted 1716 years and said it was destroyed by a flood that covered the highest mountains. One family called Coxcox survived. 1716 years...? Well the Bible date equal up to 1656 years from the Creation to the Flood. That’s not bad for a legend that’s over 4000 years old! Question: Why would there be nearly 300 flood legends? I think it is because there was a Flood. That’s my theory. Probably the Atlantis legend, and everybody searching for the lost continents of Atlantis, probably that’s another flood legend. As far as the folks on the boat were concerned, the whole world sank beneath the waves. Actually they were going up, they weren’t going down. I think Atlantis is another flood story. If you are looking at the country of Turkey, on the far eastern side you will find a mountain, Mount Ararat. It is 12 miles from the Russian border; a very politically unstable region. On a Turkish map it is called “Nuhun Gemisi” which means “Noah’s big boat.” They have got signs; you drive right up to it: “Noah’s big boat” go this way, 5 Kilometers. The Bible says the Ark rested in the seventh month, now that’s interesting. Noah did not get out until the 13th month. Why would he stay in there for 5 1/2 extra months after the ark rested? We cover all the reasons why in Seminar #6, “The Hovind Theory.” The Bible says it rested in the seventh month upon the mountains of Ararat (plural). The Bible does not say that the ark landed on Mt. Ararat. Read it carefully, it does not say that. It says that it landed - upon the mountains of Ararat. Actually there are about four theories about what happened to the Noah’s Ark. One theory says that they took it apart and used the lumber for buildings. Second theory says it rotted. The third theory says that it is still on the mountain. And the fourth theory says it is in the valley. The guys that think that it is on the mountain go over there every couple of years, on a big expedition. They climb the mountain and they all come back and say that they almost found it. I am not sure how you can know that you almost found something. That’s what they say. Maybe it’s there, I don’t know. It doesn’t matter to me at all. But other folks say, “Hey guys it isn’t even on the mountain, it’s down in the valley 17 miles a way.” And they think that is Noah’s Ark right there, a boat shaped object, kind of a tear dropped shape. In 1960, this was discovered by a high altitude surveillance plane. In 1978 there was an earthquake, either it lifted up, or the ground dropped down, the results are the same. Now this object is sticking up out of the ground about 18 - 20 feet (5.8 m). Ron Wyatt died in 1999, he was a good friend of mine. He and many others have spent years studying this thing that they think is Noah’s ark. Like I said, I don’t know. It really doesn’t matter to me where it is. Some Creationist get all upset with anybody that mentions that there might be another theory besides theirs. Look - my approach to any subject is, if there is more than one option then tell everybody all the options. When there are various theories on whatever - go ahead and research it yourself. I think that you should look at all the options. Richard Reeves took over for Ron Wyatt. There he is in front of his model of Noah’s Ark. According to them the ark has collapsed. Obvious a boat that old would cave in and fold out to the side; it splayed. One of the argument the skeptics use is that it is too wide to be Noah’s Ark. Of course it is too wide. Boats all do that. They fall outwards. If you see a rotten boat someplace you will see the same affect, but radar scans showed that there are deck timbers. Some kind of huge timbers in there. Apparently there is some big kind of structure. They also find iron rivets in there. The ark was bolted together. They knew about iron back then, that’s not a problem. You can see the rivets at the Wyatt Museum,, south of Nashville, Tennessee. They used laminated wood, they used three layers of wood glued together with a tar-like substance. The pitch was made from tree sap. Apparently it is made like basic plywood; huge thick layers of wood, and there’s no grain in the wood. It is almost like the trees did not have growing seasons with the wood they were using. The Wyatt Museum is a converted gas station, just south of Nashville on exit 27. It is on the northwest corner; you can stop down there and see them. Mrs. (Mary Nell) Wyatt wrote a book, called, ... ...“The Boat Shaped Object on Doomsday Mountain,” with all the research that she and her husband had done. Apparently the ark rested close to Mount Ararat, got stuck in the mud, then everyone got off and left. Sometime later, there was a mud flow or a lava flow, that pushed the Ark down and broke the bottom off. What use to be the keel, full of ballast for weight to keep it upright. It was broken off and it’s way up on the mountain. The Ark has apparently shifted and moved down several miles from where it used to be. It used to be way over here to the left, at a little village named Kazan, which in Turkish means, “village of eight.” “Village of Eight,?” now wait a minute, there were eight people on the boat. Apparently the ark has shifted down from where it used to be in the past. The government of Turkey, studied all this, and they said that it is Noah’s Ark. They even built a visitor’s center up there. Some folks have said that it is not Noah’s Ark; it is a boat shaped object, it is just a flow stone. It’s a flow formation around a stationary object. When mud flows around something it makes that tear drop shape. Like an airplane wing. But the pointed end of the tear drop is always down stream. The rounded end is upstream, like an airplane wing. This one is backwards. There are flow formations in that area, but this is not one of them. One guy argued it is just a fort. Who would build a fork under a hill? The other guys could throw rocks down inside. Some Creationists say it is not Noah’s Ark, and they get mad at me for even mentioning it. I am going to keep mentioning until I start working for you and then I’ll quit, okay? The Bible says that the Ark is 300 Cubits long (140 meters), a cubit is elbow to finger tip. I am six foot one; my cubit is 21 inches (53 cm). The average standard Egyptian cubit was 20.65 inches (52 cm), just a little shorter than mine. That boat shaped object is 515 feet (157 m) long, which is 300 Egyptian cubits. But that does not prove that it is the ark. It is interesting that it is the right size. It is about two-thirds of the size of the Titanic. About two football fields long. A pretty good size boat. In that region in the village of Kazan, they found twelve giant rocks. They weigh 9,000 pounds (4000 kg) each. Each rock has a hole near the top. Apparently these rocks were to be suspended over the sides of the boat. It would be what is called an anchor stone or a drogue stone. And the hole near the top of the rock is actually a curved hole. I have drilled a lot of holes in my life and I’ve done a lot of building and construction. I don’t know how you would drill a curved hole through a rock, but there they are. When the sea of Galilee dried up quite a bit ten years ago, it exposed all kinds of things that it not been exposed in centuries. All around there they found hundreds of small rocks with holes in them. It’s a common practice in stormy areas like that to put rocks around the side of the boat to keep the boat stabilized. They would give it some weight. If it gets windy, drop them down into the water and you have a sea anchor. There are a lot of people that actually think they are drogue stones or sea anchors for Noah’s Ark. What this would do, this would make the boat stable during stormy weather. It is almost like you are anchored to the water if you can imagine that. If it gets really windy the rocks will drag behind you. And now you stay perpendicular to the waves, you can not capsize. One atheist wrote me a letter and said, “Hovind, I heard in your seminar about Noah’s Ark ... having big rocks hanging over the side, you are so stupid. ... Don’t you know if it had rocks hanging all over the boat it would slow him down!?” I wrote back, “Where was he going?” There was no place to go. The whole world was under water at that time. He is just trying to float. You see, Noah, the instructions are real simple. Get in, sit down, float, land, and get out. You do not have to go anywhere, no sails; you do not have to steer the boat. One atheist said, “A sail boat was built with six masts and it leaked so badly ... because of the twisting from the sails.” Noah’s Ark did not have any sails, it was just designed to float. Some people think it may have had a moon pool in the center. That is because a long ship has a hard time going over the waves. It tends to lift up and the ends are exposed and it tends to flex or break in the middle. Well if Noah’s Ark had a moon pool that would solve the problem. What it is, is a hole in the center of the boat. As the waves go up and down, the water goes up and down in the center of the hole. Of course you have a wall built up on the inside, it is called a moon pool. As the water goes up and down inside that moon pool going over the waves. It acts like a giant piston forcing fresh air in and out of the boat every time you hit a wave. You might actually pray for a good wave once in a while. “Lord we are about to feed the elephants, would you please send a wave?” What happened to the dinosaurs when Noah got off the ark? You know the question of what happened to the dinosaurs, has been used in schools ... to start a conversation about Evolution, for a long time. One of Satan’s favorite tools to use is dinosaurs, because kids love them. I spoke at a public school one time to 300 first graders, try that some time. I drove a church bus for 17 years. I also taught junior church for 17 years. There were 300 first graders in this room where I was speaking. I got my dinosaurs out and I said, “Boys and girls, I have a question for you, when did dinosaurs live?” Instantly, they all shouted out, “Millions of years ago!” I thought, wait a minute these kids are in first grade. They can barely read. How do they believe that already? Where have the Christian been teaching the truth about Creation. Why are we waiting until the kids to get their minds polluted with Evolution and then try to win them back. Why don’t we not lose them to begin with? Why hasn’t there been a Christian response to this dinosaur stuff? What the Christian did in the 1800’s is they compromised their Bible. They invented the “Gap Theory” to accommodate the dinosaurs. They let Satan have the dinosaurs; that is what happened. Anyways there are sixteen evolutionary theories as to what happened to the dinosaurs. One theory says, asteroids struck the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico and killed them all 65 million years ago. A scientist here in Indiana said that dinosaurs killed themselves off with their own flatulence. They could not stand the heat. I am not sure what to do with a theory like that. Here is the real reason why they went extinct: smoking. What made the dinosaurs go extinct? Do you realize they are asking the wrong question? The question is not, “What made them go extinct?” The question is, “Did they go extinct?” The liberals are always real good at getting us to argue about the wrong subject. They are always asking me, “Should we have Creation taught in the public schools?” That’s a good question, I would be glad to discuss that. However there is another question we should ask first. The real question is: “Should we have public schools?” Let’s argue about that one for a while first. If we are going to have them, then we should discuss what could be taught in them. Who decides what is going to be taught in them? Does Bill Clinton decide what’s taught? Or Osama Bin Laden decide what’s taught? Should you decide what’s taught, or should I decide? The whole problem is that some people have this idiot idea that children belong to the state. No, no, no, children belong to God, they are entrusted to parents. The parents should decide what God wants them to be taught, the state does not ever have children. It is sterile, it can’t have children, they want to steal yours. The Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution says that the federal government ... only has certain very limited powers. And anything else is left to the states. The federal government has no business being involved in education, ... or welfare, or hurricane relief, or anything else. If you want to see why the schools went public, there are many articles. One by Samuel Blumenfeld, that is incredible, that tells why we have a public school system. It is all a part of the plan for a “New World Order.” A big part of the plan. Get our college class, CSE 102. I teach college classes on Creation, that go into much more detail. I chase every rabbit, and kick every dog. You can get that if you get time. Dinosaurs getting off the Ark had a very difficult time. The climate had changed; the world was different. Remember before the flood people lived to be 900 years old. Read your Bible. After the Flood they only lived to be 400 years old, and 200 years old, then 100 years old. Something changed. Well, for one thing the canopy overhead was gone. Also, the soil was now not loaded with minerals like it is suppose to be to have plants grow like crazy. The atmospheric pressure was different; the canopy had collapsed; it was gone, I believe. Sunlight was getting through, with additional types of damaging radiation, etc. Many more problems were in the post-Flood environment. Dinosaurs had two problems: Number one, the climate change. Number two, was probably worse; people hunted them; they killed them. No, they did not call them dinosaurs then though. They called them: dragons. The word “dinosaur” was not made up until 1841. So for most of human history these creatures were called: Dragons. Dinosaur is not even the dictionary in 1891. For most of human history they were known as dragons. Dragons are mentioned in the Bible 34 times. People say, “Why aren’t there dinosaurs in the Bible?” I was talking to a lady at the counter at the hotel, she said, dinosaurs are not in the Bible. I said, that’s correct, that word wasn’t made up until 1841. If you got the right Bible, that was translated 1611. So of course you will not find that word in there, they called them: dragons. Dragons are listed in the dictionary in 1946, as “now rare.” As the population of people began to grow, after the Flood, the population of dragons began to go down. Because nobody wants to live next door to a dragon. Same thing happened in Cob County Georgia, where Atlanta is today. Do you know how many grizzly bears are near Atlanta, Georgia today? -Zero. Do you know how many there were just three hundred years ago? -Hundreds. What happened to the grizzly bears in Cobb County, Georgia? As people move in and civilize an area, big ferocious animals are killed off or driven off, this happens everywhere. If it came on the evening news tonight that there were 5 Grizzly Bears roaming around Cobb County, ... do you know what would happen by six o’clock in the morning? They would all be dead. Because every redneck in four states would be out there with a rifle, trying to shoot one, right? And whoever could shoot the biggest one would be a hero. They would have his picture on the front page, “Bubba shot the Grizzly Bear” and saved the village. That is exactly what happened to the dragons. If you could figure out a way to kill a dragon, they would be telling stories about you around the campfire. People killed dragons for meat, because they were a menace, to prove that you were a hero, or ... to prove that you are superior, in competition for land, or for medicinal purposes. Many ancient recipes call for dragon blood, dragon bones, dragon saliva, why? Gilgamesh is famous for slaying a dragon. A Chinese legend tells about a guy named Yu that surveyed the land of China. It says, that after the Flood he surveyed the land, he divided it off into sections. He built channels to drain water off to sea and make the land livable again. Many snakes and dragons were driven from the marshlands. You know that’s normal that if you want to build a city. You have to drive off the dragons, then build your city. It was expected that you have got to drive the dragons away or kill them. Why would the Chinese calendar have eleven real animals: the pig, the duck, the dog, and ... the dragon? Why would they put just one “mythical” animal in there? Could it be at the time they that they came up with these animals there were 12 real animals? There is one of the oldest pieces of pottery on Planet Earth. It’s a piece of slate from Egypt; the first dynasty of United Egypt. It shows long necked dragons; we make replicas of it. If you want to get one for a prize for your bus route, or to give out to the kid who does whatever. They will go crazy over this thing; it is half size replicas of one of the oldest pieces of pottery on Earth. Why would they put long necked dinosaurs on pottery 3,800 years ago? Here are two long necked dinosaurs with a sheep in between them in their mouths. Here is a hippo tusk from the twelve century B.C., showing an animal with a long neck, and a long tail. Here’s a cylinder seal, showing what appears quite obviously to be a long neck dinosaurs. The Bible talks about a fiery flying serpent, in Isaiah 14. Wait a minute: a fiery flying serpent? Sometime, read the story of Herodotus. Herodotus said he went to a certain place in Arabia, almost exactly opposite Buto, ... to make inquiries of the winged serpents. “On my arrival I saw the back bones and ribs of serpents in such numbers that is impossible to describe.” The winged serpent is shaped like the water snake. Its wings are not feathered; but resemble very closely those of the bat. The place where the bones lie is at the entrance of a narrow gorge, between steep mountains. The story goes, “With the Spring, the winged snakes come flying from Arabia toward Egypt. ... But are met in this gorge by the bird ibises, who forbid their entrance and destroy them all.” The book of Josephus talks about the fiery flying serpent that Moses had to kill when he came to Ethiopia. And he ended up marrying the princess of the Ethiopians, which is why his sister got mad at him later. She was mad because he married an Ethiopian. Not because she was black, but because how this all happened. Read the story about Moses in the Josephus book sometime. In the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles it talks about in 793 A.D. the fiery dragons flying across the firmament. The Babylonian god Marduk, he is shown pictured on a fire breathing dragon. “Now, Brother Hovind, you do not believe in fire breathing dragons do you?” Yes, I believe there were some. We cover all that in our video tape about Leviathan. In Job 41, it talks about the Leviathan, it says: “Out of his mouth go burning lamps and sparks of fire leap out.” “Out of his nostrils goeth smoke.” You know, I have seen deacons do that in the Southern Baptist churches. So that’s no big deal, “His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.” Now wait, was there really a fire breathing dragon? Well you should watch the Leviathan video, about the fire breathing dragon. If you get a Catholic bible, you find the book of Daniel has two extra chapters in it. It is a part of the Apocrypha books, Daniel 13 and 14. Very interesting reading. Definitely not Scripture, but in Daniel 14, it says, “there was a great dragon in the place and the Babylonians worshipped him.” “And the king said to Daniel, Behold thou canst not say that this is not a living god, adore him therefore.” “And Daniel said, I adore the Lord my God, for he is the living God, but that is no living god.” “But give me leave (that is giving permission to go), ... and I will kill this dragon without sword or club and the king said, I give thee leave.” “Then Daniel took pitch, and fat, and hair, and boiled them together and made lumps, and put them into the dragons mouth, and the dragon burst asunder.” What a strange story, Let me give you the Hovind translation. The Bible tells us that Daniel was a man who understood science. Those are the kind of young men that Nebuchadnezzar took away from Israel at that time. Daniel would have known full well that pitch was made from tree sap and it is very sticky. Fat is salty tasting, and almost all animals like things that are salty tasting. And Daniel knew that hair can’t be digested. So he made little lumps of pitch, fat and hair, and tossed them in the dragon’s den. He swallowed them, but then could not digest them, and they plugged up his intestinal tract. And these were the days before plumbers, so he burst open. Saddam Hussein had quite an ego problem, and he thought that he was Nebuchadnezzar, reincarnated. George Bush always called him Sa-daam Hussein; I wondered why he called him Sa-daam Hussein. It was Sa-daam. Well Saddam means: prince. Sa-daam means: horse’s rear end. He called him: Sa-daam Hussein. Saddam issued currency with his picture in front of Nebuchadnezzar. Saddam spent a fortune rebuilding the Ancient City of Babylon. Ancient Babylon was discovered buried in the dry sand over there. The bricks were nearly in perfectly preserved by the dry sand. So they excavated Ancient Babylon and rebuilt it. Babylon has been totally rebuilt in the last 20 or 30 years or so. Saddam put a brick every ten feet around the wall saying, “I am Saddam Hussein. ... ... I have rebuilt Babylon the Great; I am the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar.” But on that original wall they found carvings of lions and carvings of dragons. I can understand why there would be a lion on there. We know about lions. But why would they put carvings of dragons on a brick wall, 2,600 years ago? Maybe because they knew about dragons. They are still there, you can go see them, a friend of mine was there as a soldier. The Ishtar Gate is covered in them, alternating images of lions and dragons. We made a model of it for Dinosaur Adventure Land. If you want to come to Pensacola, Florida, that is a little closer than Iraq for most of you. Alexander the Great said his soldiers were scared by dragons when they conquered part of India in 300 B.C. This Roman Mosaic shows two long necked dragons fighting, or kissing. Now that would be necking, wow! How did the Romans know about dragons in 200 A.D? Saint George is famous for slaying a dragon in 275 A.D. Beowulf slew two dragons and the third one killed him. You should try to read the Beowulf story in Old English. Good luck, that’s English. 1,500 years ago that was English. I can only read the first word on the page and that looks like it says “DUH.” When they translate the story to modern English the story tells us that Beowulf kills Grendel the dragon ... ... by pulling off one of its small arms, and the creature bled to death. Pulled off his arm? They found a Babylonian cylinder seal showing a guy pulling the arm off a dragon. Interesting. Get the book “After the Flood,” by Bill Cooper, if you want a whole lot more on dragons living with man. There’s a city in France that’s famous because a dragon came up out of the water and a guy killed it. He cut the head off and stuck it over the corner of the building. The head of the dragon was mounted on his building. They called it the Gargoyle. How many have ever heard of the Gargoyle? They still do that today, you can buy these ugly little creatures and put them on your buildings or over your door. The word Gargoyle means “throat.” We get our English word gargle, gurgle, regurgitate, gorge and glutton; all related to the throat. So the next time you gargle, you can think about slaying a dragon. You say, “Brother Hovind, I am slaying a dragon when I gargle.” An Irish writer said they killed a dragon with iron nails on its tail. A Stegosaurus certainly had big spikes on his tail, that’s for sure. So did several other animals. There’s Viking wood cut showing a dragon swallowing a man. This is from the 11th century, 1,000 years ago. The Vikings put dragon heads on their ships 1,000 years ago, why would they do that? They knew about the great dragons of the sea, they called it the Kraken. Again Bill Cooper has a lot about that in his book, “After the Flood.” The famous Icelandic hero Siegfried slew the dragon Fafnir. Bricks were found in a castle from the 12th century showing dragons. Here is a 12th century castle in Germany showing dragons on it. Why would they put dragons on their castle? Marco Polo lived in China for 17 years. When he came back he said that the emperor is raising dragons to pull chariots in his parades. Why would Marco Polo say that? Probably because ... the Chinese Emperor was raising dragons to pull chariots in his parade; that’s my theory. In 1611 in China, they appointed the post of “Royal Dragon Feeder.” Why do you need a royal dragon feeder? Let me guess, to feed the dragon. There is a 13th century castle that has dragons on it. There’s a grave from the 15th century carved in brass showing two long necked dinosaurs. This 16th century castle has dragons on it. We have seven coins in our museum on loan they are silver dollars from 1500’s to 1600’s. They are real silver dollars, all of them show somebody slaying a dragon. Dragons were common even up to 400 years ago. Everybody knew about slaying dragons. Of course you have to slay a dragon. That’s standard procedure. Slay the dragon, save the princess, or whatever. There’s a Russian medallion a guy is killing a dragon. A Bulgarian postage stamp has somebody killing a dragon. The crest of Lithuania shows somebody killing a dragon. A city in France was renamed Nerluc, to honor the man that slew the dragon. Indians in America carved dinosaurs on the walls of the Grand Canyon. Why would they put dinosaurs on the walls of the Grand Canyon. Maybe it is because they saw and hunted dinosaurs around there? In 1925, some guys took a raft trip down the canyons out west and they wrote a report. They saw one of these dinosaurs. They said the fact that some prehistoric man ... made a pictograph of a dinosaur on the walls of this canyon upsets completely all of our theories. Oh, they upset his theories, oh no. He said, “About a year ago, ... a photograph of dinosaur was shown to a scientist of national repute, who was then specializing in dinosaurs. He said, it is not a dinosaur, it is impossible, because we know dinosaurs were extinct 12 million years ... ... before man appeared on earth.” Hold on just a minute. In the first place it is not possible for you to know that what happened 12 million years ago. Let’s just get that straight. Secondly, notice he said “12 million.” Today the kids are taught that dinosaurs died “65 million years ago,” aren’t they? 65 million years ago? It is interesting to see the inflation of the age of the earth. In 1770, they said the earth 70,000 years old. By 1902, it was 2 billion years old. In 1969 it was 3.5 billions of years old. Today it is 4.6 billion years old. Do you know the earth is getting older at the rate of 21 million years per year. That is 40 years per minute; the Earth is aging rapidly. If you go to Blanding, Utah you will see carvings of dinosaurs on the cliff there. Apparently they knew about dinosaurs in Utah. The Indians knew about them. They killed them, apparently. This is a cave painting in Australia, showing a guy running away from what appears to be a dinosaur. I can’t pronounce the name of this place in Canada: Misshepezhieu, in Ontario. It looks like these Indians painted something on the cliff there that appears to be like a dinosaur ... ... with a dermal frill ridge going down its back. This is a painting in Australia, these guys are all dancing around a dinosaur. Apparently they are upset because it ate their friend. There’s the friend inside. Give him back please right now. This guy says no one has seen a dinosaur then why did they put them on cave paintings? Why did they put them on ancient pottery? Why do we see so many legends of dragons if nobody has ever seen one? Down in Peru, they’ve got the driest desert in the world. It’s only rained twice in 400 years, this is my understanding. When the Spanish came across there in the 1500’s, they found white lines on the desert. They were obviously manmade. Somebody piled up the rocks. There’s a pile of white rocks, goes sometimes for miles, straight as an arrow. These today are called the Nazca Lines. How many have heard of the Nazca images? They’ve got all these images down there in Peru. You can study that if you’d like. But strange, these images are interesting, but one of them shows a spider. The spider has no eyes and one leg is longer than the rest. And for centuries everybody thought that these were for poor, ignorant, stupid people. They forgot to put the eyes on, and they made the one leg longer by accident. Recently there was a particular spider discovered in the Amazon Jungle, a thousand miles away. It only lives in caves, and it’s extremely rare. It is suppose to be one of the rarest spider on earth. It’s 1/8 of an inch (3 mm) long, a little, tiny spider. It lives a thousand miles a way in the dark caves; the spider has no eyes. And during mating season, that one particular leg grows longer and it exchanges DNA off the tip of the leg. How do they know that in Peru, a thousand miles a way? Maybe they weren’t so stupid after all. In 1535, the Spanish conquistadors came through that area and they found stones with strange animals on them. They sent a few back to the king of Spain, and said “What on earth are these animals carved on these rocks?” The king said, I have no clue. Today they are called the Ica Burial Stones, from Ica, Peru. Dennis Swift is probably the world’s expert on those; he is one of my good friends from Portland, Oregon. He did a great session at our creation boot camp in 2005. Our Creation Boot Camp that we have in Pensacola, Florida. We have his DVDs with him speaking on the Ica Stones. It is incredible; you can still get those on our web site. These stones show dinosaurs on them. The Ica Burial Stones from about the time of Christ, plus or minus a few hundred years. Some of them show brain surgery. They find brain surgery instruments: hardened copper. They had tempered copper instruments for cutting into people heads, apparently. Some of them show heart surgery and limb reattachment. One of them showed what looked like steam engine. Strange things are found on these Ica stones in Peru, quite a few of them. Over 500, I believe, show dinosaurs. Why would they have dinosaurs and humans on the same stones? Well because people lived with dinosaurs. There’s one from our museum. It shows a dinosaur holding a guy by the head. This one shows what appears to be a guy cutting the head off the dragon, because it killed his friend. You can see the friend’s body is inside, but his head is missing. So his buddy is just doing what the Bible says, “Vengeance is fine sayeth the Lord.” This guy is jabbing one through the throat with a spear. This one is hard to see, but this one is shoving the spear down the dragons throat. The dragon has got the guy by the arm, and apparently his spirit is leaving, it is flying off to Heaven. Or wherever they believe they go after death in their culture. This guy has the knife stuck in the dragon’s head, and the dragon is biting the guy. We have eight of these stones in Pensacola, Florida, the largest collection in America, I believe. At 1500 dollars each, not too many people have these things. Some of them show circles on the side. That is kind of interesting. Why would they put circles on the sides of the dinosaurs? Nobody had ever found dinosaur skin, until about 20 years ago, when fossilized skin was found. It is very interesting that dinosaur skin has circle patterns on it. They had to see a live one to know to put that one on the stones. Because you couldn’t tell that there were circles on the skin from the bones alone. We have some dinosaur skin in our museum in Pensacola, Florida. Recently they just found some unfossilized soft dinosaur tissue. Soft dinosaur tissue? So now the brilliant scientists are trying to figure out how could tissue stay soft for 70 million years? The thought will never cross their brain that it may not be 70 million years old. That thought will never enter their heads. This guy is cutting the head off a dragon. There’s a guy riding one. We have got a ton of information about dinosaurs living with man. Sometimes there is a friendly gesture. Like this one shows a man petting one, he has his head laying on its shoulder. Pottery was found with dinosaurs on it. A mummy was found in a tomb wrapped in a blanket, and all around the blanket were dinosaurs. Why would they put dinosaurs on their blankets? Why would they put it on their pottery? Why would they carve them on cliff walls? Why would they put them on their waistbands? In Acambaro, Mexico, about 56,000 ceramic figurines of dinosaurs were found. They knew about them in central Mexico. They have always lived with man, they did not live millions of years ago. But the evolutionists today say that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago ... and that no one has ever seen one. Yes, I think they have. An Italian peasant killed a dragon that was bothering his cows. They had it stuffed and mounted for a museum display in 1572. By the way, do you know why so many Italians are called: Tony? Years ago many of them were coming to America. A little bit of trivia there. The Sutton Artifact shows what appears to be a Pterodactyl with his wings folded up. This lady sent me this picture of a dragon found in Utah. She said, “Brother Hovind, it looks like a dinosaur to me” carved on a cliff up here. Roman artifacts were found in Tucson, Arizona. By the way the Romans came across the ocean a long time before Columbus did. Columbus was not the first white man across the ocean. There was trade back and forth for centuries until the dark ages came ... and shut down overseas knowledge and information. Brendan the Navigator came across in 500A.D. Hebrew coins were found in Ohio in a burial mound. There was trade back and forth in the time of Christ, across the Atlantic Ocean. In Los Lunas, the Decalogue Stone, was found in New Mexico. There’s an 80 ton stone showing the Ten Commandments, in Byzantine. This language version which was only used around 500 A.D., according to my understanding. Somebody came across to evangelize America, made it as far as New Mexico, 1,500 years ago. One of these Roman swords shows what quite obviously appears to be a dinosaur on it. How on earth can they get dinosaurs on their swords at the time of the Roman Empire? During the age of sailing ships there are thousands of legends of people with sightings of sea monsters. Well if you are in sailboat it is quiet going through the water. Today in a diesel engine they can hear you coming 50 miles away under water. Of course you are not going to see one today. (They’ll hear you coming from afar.) There are legends all over the world - of dragons living with man. I think we really have been lied to. We can spend a long time on dragon legends. I read prolifically on that topic about dragon sightings down through history. Get our Seminar #3 if you want more on dragon legends. Do you know that there are actually stories on giant octopus living in the ocean? I mean like really, really, really big octopus. One particular octopus washed up on the beach in Florida. It was 200 feet across and weighed 5 tons. That’s a big octopus. A whale was killed near Seattle; inside the whale’s stomach was one arm to an octopus that was 150 feet long. Whales love to eat octopus. If a whale eats too much octopus he will get sick and puke it back up. If you ever see a piece of puked up octopus floating around in the ocean be sure to grab it. It is worth a fortune. Does anybody know what they use out of puked up octopus? Perfume, that is correct. That explains a few things, doesn’t it, fellows? “Hey dear, you smell like a puked up octopus.” “Yes, and you can sleep on the couch for a month too.” There are giant squids found out there in the ocean. I mean really big squids, we could spend a long time on that one. A giant squid washed up on the beach in New Zealand. They said it was a baby. Full grown it would be 150 feet long. People say, “Now wait, Dr. Hovind, if there are dinosaurs mentioned in history, ... are there dinosaurs mentioned in the Bible too?” Oh yeah! Dinosaurs in the Bible? Yes, we are going cover that in the next session. Dinosaurs are not only mentioned in the Bible, some dinosaurs might actually still be alive. We will cover that in a minute. Okay, let’s take up where we left off. “Dinosaurs in the Bible.” People say, “Dinosaurs aren’t in the Bible!” Well of course the word “dinosaur” is not in the Bible. That word did not exist until 1841. The word “computer” is not in there either, but there really are computers. But yes, dinosaurs are actually mentioned in the Bible. Just read your Bible carefully. If you get the book of Job, the book of Job has 42 chapters. Job is in about the center in the Bible, just before the Book of Psalms. You will find it to be a very fascinating book. In Job chapter 1, it says Job was a perfect man. He feared God and hated evil. By the way that is good advice. Job had 7 sons and 3 daughters. And Job had thousands of sheep, and camels, and oxen, and asses. The guy was rich, really rich. Job was probably written after the flood, but before the Law was given in the days of Moses. Before the flood they lived to be over 900. After the flood they lived to be 400. You see Job lived long enough to have 10 kids all grown, out of the house, they all died, then afterwards ... ...he had 10 more kids and he saw his great, great, grandchildren - from his second family. So you have to be living a long time to accomplish those things. Those are the reasons why most people think the Book of Job was written after the Flood. That would have been during the time when they were still living to be pretty old. One day the messenger came to Job and said, “I have some bad news. The oxen and asses were stolen. ... And your servants got killed, and the sheep got burned up, and the camels got stolen too.” This was a literal - stock market crash. Get it ... stock? Another messenger came and said, “Job, your kids all died. All 10 of your kids are dead.” Job is having a bad day. Then Job said, (Job 1:21) “The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord.” Man, what kind of guy is this anyway? Hey, do you do that when bad things happen to you? Then Satan gave him boils from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet. A boil is like the world’s worst pimple. Job was covered in them, and his wife turned against him too. You know man can handle just about any tragedy in life, but that’s the toughest one right there. There is a verse you probably never heard preached on ever. Ephesians, chapter 5, says, “husbands love your wives, and wives submit yourselves to your husband.” You have probably heard that preached on. I bet you had never heard this part. The wife should see that she reverences her husband; yes, treat him like a God. Offer him “burnt sacrifices” three times a day. Chapter 2, verse 10, Job says, “You speak like one of the foolish women; ... can’t we receive good at the hand of God and not evil?” Then Job’s four friends came to visit him. One of those guys was the shortest man mentioned in the Bible, Bildad the Shuhite. “Shuhite” (pronounced: shoe-height); that is pretty short. These four friends came and talked to Job for 35 chapters. Most of the book of Job is these guys explaining to Job, why everything went wrong. They had to be Baptists, the way I got it figured. They said, “Job you must have sinned, I mean” Eliphaz said, “Who ever perished being innocent?” “Job, the reason why bad things happened to you is because you sinned.” Now folks, that is the wisdom of the world, that is not true. If something bad happens to somebody, you don’t know why it happened. You should love them and pray for them, encourage them, and shut up. Don’t go to the hospital when they get their gall stones out and say, ... “Hey brother, these are not gall stones these are tithes and offerings, ... God’s getting them out of you one way or another.” Don’t do that, okay? Let God take care of why everything went wrong, he can handle them just fine, okay. So Job is sitting there scrapping the pus out of the boils, by the grave of his ten dead kids thinking ... “God, will you please answer me, why did this happen to me?” Folks, you don’t have to live on this planet very long before you will be asking that question. God why did you do this to me? I don’t want to drag skeletons out of anybody’s closet okay? Maybe you have had tragedy in your life. I know a little bit about what I am talking about, I have three kids here and three kids in Heaven already. Yes tragedy comes to good people trying to do right. It happens, alright, but if something bad happens what is your response? Job said I wish the Lord would answer me, you see he did not know about Romans 8:28. God said, “We know that all things work together for good ... to them that love the God to them that are the called according to his purpose.” This verse does not say everything that happens is good; it doesn’t say that. It says it will work together for good. I’ll show you. Has anybody ever been hungry? Have you been hungry before? Suppose you come to my house and you knock on the door, “Hey, Hovind, I am hungry.” I’ll say, “Come on in.” And I’ll give you a cup of flour, ... That doesn’t sound too good. I’ve got it - how about a spoon of salt. Now you may say, “No, that isn’t going to help.” I’ve got it, how about a spoon full of baking soda. Oh that will wake you up in the morning. You are probably getting pretty dry by now, so let’s pour down a half cup of Crisco. And chase it down with a cup of butter milk. You would say, “Brother Hovind that would taste terrible.” How about if we mix them all together and make biscuits? You know the individual ingredients for biscuits taste lousy, but they work together for biscuits. Do you know that everything that happens to you may not be good ... but it will work together for good if you love God and are called according to his purpose. You see the Christian life is so simple. Keep your heart right with God; that’s it. That will be tough to do because the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Job is sitting there scraping the pus out of the boils saying, “God, will you please answer me.” And in chapter 38, the Lord answered Job out of a whirlwind. You know if a tornado starts talking to me, I am going to pay attention. The Lord said, “Who is this that darkeneth council by words without knowledge?” Hey Job, your four friends did not know what they were talking about! And by the way be very careful about getting any Bible doctrine from the book of Job. It is true that the guy said it, but what they said was not true. The cults are very good at picking out a verse here; you better read the whole chapter okay. I believe the Bible is the word of God, but the Bible contains some lies. It accurately records the lies of men. It is true that they said it, but what they said was not true. That is the case with these four guys. God said (Job 38:3), “Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.” “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?” I read that 36 years ago as a brand new Christian and I thought what a dumb question, “God, why would you ask Job where he was when you laid the foundations of the earth?” I said, God, “He wasn’t there you knew that and he knows that, so why are you asking such a question?” How many of you were here when God built the earth? Was anybody here when God made the earth? Only a couple of Mormons, okay, you’re in your second existence, I understand. No, you were not here when God built the earth. Kids this is going to be complicated so listen carefully, okay. Since you were not here when God made the earth, that means that God is older than you are. How many can figure this out with no help at all? Did it ever occur to you that God is also smarter than you are? Did it ever occur to you that God is stronger than you are? Did it ever occur to you that God is richer than you are? You say, “Brother Hovind everybody is richer than I are,” Okay, well God certainly is too. Hey try this one, I said this one a thousand times and I have never understood it once. But I say it a lot and I think about it a lot until my brain hurts: Did it ever occur to you that nothing ever occurred to God? He has already thought of everything. He even knows everything that you ever thought about. The Bible says He understands the imaginations of the thoughts, that is a fascinating verse. He not only knows your thoughts, he knows the imaginations of the thoughts. You see you can not only think about things but you can actually ... think about - what you are thinking about. Think about that. The brain is amazing. The Bible says God knows the thoughts of man. And by the way it says in Luke, Jesus knowing their thoughts .... That is one of many verses that prove that Jesus is God almighty in the flesh. God knows your thoughts and loves you anyway. Wow! Praise God for His mercy, right? Job 38:4, God says, “Declare, if thou hast understanding, who hast laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest?” Job doesn’t answer. In fact, Job is not answering any of God’s questions. God says (Job 38:16), “Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea?” Scientists didn’t even know that there were springs in the sea until 1977. Science is very slowly catching up with a few parts of the Bible. God said, “Where is the way where light dwelleth?” Now that is fascinating; I taught Physics. Did you know light does not stay in a place it is in a way. It is always moving. Then it says, and for darkness where is the place thereof? You know the speed of light, 186,282.4 miles per second (300,000 km each second). Do you know the speed of dark is? Zero. Darkness cannot move. Now think about it, we are the children of light. We are suppose to be on the move, you know, to get something done for God. People say, well it is getting dark, the world’s so bad, well turn on your light. The reasons is it is dark is because of you. You are the light, turn it on. The Bible says the gates of hell shall not prevail. Gates do not attack you; you attack them. Let’s go man, do something for God. Verse 24, “By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?” Now wait, is God telling Job that the light causes the wind? He sure is. You can ask any weather man that is exactly correct sunlight causeth the wind patterns. The ground heats up and it expands the air. We have wind on Earth because of the light, just like God said 4,000 years ago. God said (Job 38:35), “Canst thou send lightnings?” Boy it is a good thing that I can’t. How many of you can think of somebody that is lucky to be a live because you can not send the lightnings. I can think of several. God said, “Canst thou send lightnings that they may go and say unto thee, here we are?” Now wait, is God telling Job that electricity can be used to send a message? That would be like a radio, a cell phone, a microwave, or a T.V. Electricity sends a message two different ways. First is, the electricity through the wire, and also through the electromagnetic force, Those are the radio waves coming off from it. God told Job that 4,000 years ago. Marconi and other scientists only discovered it in the last hundred years or so. God asked Job 84 questions. Job never answered even one of them. These are the kind of questions that don’t need an answer. The questions were designed to change the person’s attitude. These are the same kind of questions you dads have to ask your kids. You see I have three kids. I know what I am talking about. Kids get to a certain age and they start to think that they should make the rules around the house. The kid comes in one day and says, “Hey dad listen, I believe that I should be allowed to stay out ... until 4:00 in the morning with my friends; after all I am 10 now.” Dad says, “Hold on now just a minute kid, you’d like to know why you can’t stay out to 4:00 in the morning.” “Well son, let me ask you a couple of questions: who pays the electric bill around this house?” Who’s paying for the house? Who paid for the clothes you are wearing, son? Who paid for the bed you slept on last night? Who pays for the food that you eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat? Who paid for the hot water and soap that you took a shower with - about a month ago? Let’s just get it straight son, the Bible is very clear, “He who payeth the bills maketh the rules.” The Book of “Second Opinions,” chapter 4, verse 7. You see son, me dad, you kid. And if you are going to sleep under my roof and eat my food, ... You are going to do it my way and if you want to do it your way then go ... get your own roof to sleep under and do it your way. That is the golden rule, son. “He that hath the gold maketh the rules.” Who do you think you are kid? Where were you when we brought this property and cleared this land? ... and drove off the Grizzly Bears, and marched up hill to school 40 miles in the snow bare foot both ways. How many of you got the same speech growing up? You know what I am talking about. Let’s get it straight son, me dad, you kid. I think that is what God is doing to Job. God asked Job 84 questions. Job never answered one, but Job got an attitude adjustment. You see Job had the same problem that most of us have. He did not have a good appreciation for who God was. Come to chapter 40. God said behold now “behemoth,” what on Earth is a: behemoth. What ever it was, Job could behold it, because God never tells you to do something that you can not do. You see God would not say, “Behold now behemoth” if he could not behold now behemoth. That is deep theology, I know, but think it through. Some reference bibles say behemoth is probably the elephant or Hippopotamus. That is ludicrous. No. I believe that the behemoth is a long necked dinosaur. There are 13 different long neck dinosaurs: Brachiosaurus, or the Apatosaurus, Seatasaurus (he’s got the big seat), ... There’s the Blondasaur, and you have to talk to her kind of slowly. I think the Behemoth is the Brachiosaurus. It says that it eats grass as ox. Some people say, “Hey, my Bible says elephants,” and elephants eat grass. Bunny Rabbits eat grass too; a lot of animals eat grass. Look at the next verse, his strength is in his loins. His force in the navel of his belly, the biggest part on him is his belly. They say elephants have a big belly. Yes, I know. Hippopotamus have a big belly. Brachiosaurus have a big belly. He has a big belly. So does he? He is just sick, sick, who would pose for that? He moveth his tail like a cedar. Hold on a minute, his tail is like a cedar tree. Have you ever seen an elephant’s tail? Would that remind you of a cedar tree? Or a Hippo tail? Not like a cedar tree. Now a Brachiosaurus tail maybe that would be a little more like cedar tree than the rest of them. Before they put those foot notes at the bottom of the Bible, ... I think they should be required to read the passage at least once, and then comment on it okay. By the way, you preachers, if you are going to preach - at least read it once before you preach on it. Next verse (Job 40:18) says, “His bones are as strong pieces as brass; his bones are like bars of iron.” He has big heavy duty bones, and they did. This is a real dinosaur toe bone that I got in my museum in Pensacola. It is one of the knuckle bones from a Brachiosaurus. This is going to be complicated so listen carefully. The reason why he had such big toe bones is because he had big toes. How many can figure it out with no help? Four, Five, Six. The reason he had those big toes is because he had a big foot. There’s a kid taking a bath in a Brachiosaurus foot print. The picture is right here in the book on the steps. The reason why he had that big foot is because he had a big leg to hold up. His front leg is 20 feet tall. The biggest dinosaur found so far is 60 feet to the top of its head. It was found in Oklahoma. They say it is going to take them 20 years to dig all the bones out of the ground. It is a government project. They say when it was alive it probably weighed a hundred tons. One hundred tons is equal to 14 school buses put together. That means if he was to come by and step on you, you would be “deeply impressed” by him. You would be road pizza. By the way speaking of government projects, I have to share with you my new invention. It will make me the richest man on Planet Earth. I am going to save so much money for the highway department, ... construction crew, utilities companies, and the military too. All I want is 10% of the savings. I’ll be the richest man on Planet Earth. I have invented a shovel that will stand up by itself. You won’t need to pay these guys to lean on it any more. Ah, thank you, thank you. Next verse says (Job 40:19), “He is the chief of the ways of God.” He’s the chief, that’s the Hebrew word ‘re’-shiyth.’ He is chief, he’s the principle; he’s the biggest animal God ever made. Well that would not be the elephant or the hippopotamus. That would be the Brachiosaurus. And that kind of fits the pattern for the way the Devil works. Whenever God makes things, the Devil tries to destroy them. God makes beautiful things, and Satan always tries to destroy them. Hey question, “How big is your God?” Do you ever think about that? When you stop and pray and you say “Heavenly Father,” do you have any idea who you are talking to!? Have you ever just stopped and think about that? Who are you about to talk to? I mean, you sit down for lunch and you are going to pray, “Okay Lord, bless the bunch, as they crunch the lunch. Amen.” We expect God to come like a puppy dog when we call, don’t we? “Okay God, I have time for you now, pay attention, here are my prayers.” “Give me this, give me this, give me this, give me this, and give me this - and give it quick.” That is about what it boils down to, isn’t it? Have you ever stopped and really thought who you are talking to? How big is your God? Hey, is your God big enough to tell you what to do? And do you simply do it - without question? For instance, does God tell you what kind of clothes to wear? I Timothy 2:9, it says that the women should dress modestly. You see my daddy always said, “If you’re not in business, then don’t advertise.” Does God tell you how to cut your hair? I Corinthians 11:14 says it’s a shame for man to have long hair. When I got saved I was a life guard, nice suntan, long blonde hair. I read that and I said oh wow, I need to go cut it. It is just a no brainer. God, you’re not happy? Then, yes sir. It is absolutely a no brainer. How big is your God? Who is God of your life anyways? If he is really God, then you read the Book and you do what he says, and that’s the end of the story. Hey, does God tell you what kind of speech to have? Ephesians 4:29 says, “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth.” Is God happy with everything that is coming out of your mouth? (Luke 6:45) “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” That is a good verse to quote to somebody when you hear them cuss by the way. Does God control what you watch on T.V? Psalm 101 says I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes. Have you put wicked things in front of your eyes? Suppose you made a rule, just suppose you made a rule around your house. If you hear a cuss word on T.V., then you are going to shut it off for 2 hours. If you see someone immodestly dressed on TV, you are going to shut it off for 2 hours. If you see someone drinking alcohol you are going to shut it off for 2 hours. What if you just make those three simple rules at your house? How much T.V. would you watch? None. So you might as well sell it and give those 30 bucks a month for the cable bill to a missionary. And we could then win the whole world to Christ couldn’t we? Does God tell you what kind of music to listen to? Ephesians 5:19, “Speak to yourselves in Psalm, Hymns and spiritual songs ... singing melody in your heart to the Lord.” Is God happy with your music? You see God loves music. God invented music. But Satan has invented some ungodly music you shouldn’t listen to. Someone asked me one time Hovind, do you know what you get ... when you get when you play country music backwards? I said, “No.” You get your wife back, you get your dog back, your pickup truck back, and you get out of jail. God created them male and female. Did you know that God invented marriage and the family and sex. He invented the whole thing, and he wants it to be wonderful? So He put some rules down; boys don’t touch the girls until you are married to them. Now if you don’t want to touch them then stay away from me. I saw your kind at San Francisco. God put the rules down. He put the rules down, because he wants the best for you. He said (Proverbs 6:26), “The adulteress will hunt for the precious life.” God doesn’t want you to be hunting for a precious life. He wants you to have a precious life. Do you know why these Hollywood folks have to get married again every six months? Brittney Spears, 55 hours; Jennifer Lopez, 7 months; Brandy Norwood, less then 2 years, less than 6 months; Zsa Zsa Gabor married for 1 day. Do you know why they got to get married again after 6 months? They are hunting for the precious life. They don’t have it. Now listen carefully; don’t pay any attention to Hollywood. They don’t have a clue, they don’t have a clue in the world how to have a precious life. If you want to have a precious life then you keep yourself pure ... until you walk down that aisle and the preacher says wilt thou, and you wilt. Whatever they do, then you stay faithful to that one for the rest of your life. That is the Precious the life. Don’t believe Hollywood for a second. They don’t have a clue how best to live. God created the living creatures, every living creature, ... as it says in Genesis 1:21. God made the dinosaurs. He made them, but Satan said, “You know, there has to be some way that I can use dinosaurs against God.” But he couldn’t fool Adam; not with dinosaurs. Adam named the dinosaurs. Can you imagine the Devil walking up to Adam and saying, “Hey Adam did you know that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago?” Adam would say, “Are you stupid?” There’s one in the backyard right there eating on the cherry tree! What do you mean “million of years ago?” The Devil could not fool Noah, he fed them everyday during the year of the Flood. But for the next 4,000 years the dinosaurs became more rare. They were dying off or being killed off or whatever, as some of the reasons they died off. By 1809, they were just nearly extinct and somebody found the bones and put one together. In 1809, the first dinosaur that we know of was put together for a museum. Satan was there that day and said, “Wow, here is my chance.” These critters have always lived with man, I know that and God knows that. But these people don’t know that. So the Devil said, ... “I think I am going to tell everybody that they lived million of years ago.” And if they believe it will make them doubt the Bible. And boy, has that strategy worked good. You know, for the last 200 years kids have gone to kindergarten and they get a book like this, Book title: “I can read about dinosaurs.” Would anybody like to take a wild guess what is the first sentence in the book says? “Millions of years ago!” How many kids are being taught that in your town? At your expense you are paying for the destruction of the next generation. Now maybe that does not bother you, but it bothers me. And if you think that I leave my gorgeous wife and travel all over the world - I have been gone over 200 days per year, for years now. I flew 215 times last year, spoke over 900 times. If you think I leave my gorgeous wife and 4 grandkids - because I like being gone, you are mistaken. I would much rather be home, but there is a war going on! Somebody has got to warn the troops, “Hello, to arms! Pick up your guns, let’s go!” There are kids by the billions being brainwashed on this planet, and Satan is using dinosaurs to do it. Nearly all the books say “millions of years ago” and then we have some Christians ... that totally ignore the subject because they do not have an answer. Well (II Timothy 2:15), “Study to show thyself approved unto God...” Get the answer and go share it with somebody. “Millions of years ago,” the book says. I go to museums all the time; it just makes my blood boil. You see hundred and hundred of kids coming past these incredible displays beautiful dinosaur skeletons. And guess what the sign says at the bottom? “Million of years ago.” Christians don’t seem to understand this, the museums and science centers - that is their church. They are preaching their gospel just like you are trying to preach your Gospel. And they are using your tax dollars to preach their gospel. That’s how it happens, “Millions of years ago....” The Bible says the Behemoth lieth under the shady trees in the covert and reed and swamp The word “fenz” is an Old English word meaning: the swamp. Do you know that the biggest swamp in the world is right in the middle of Africa? It is called the Likawala Swamp. That swamp is huge. Most Americans don’t appreciate the size of Africa. Here is what Africa looks like next to the entire United States. Africa is gigantic. That swamp is the same size of the state of Florida, 55,000 square miles (140,000 square km). That swamp is huge. Did you know that this huge swamp is 80% unexplored - even today? In 1885, Congo in Africa was taken over by Belgium; it was called the Belgian Congo for many years. In 1960 the Communists liberated them. You know how the Communist liberate countries? They kill everybody. “Okay, you’re free now.” There were reports in that swamp from the 1700’s, when the missionaries first went in there And they said that there are dinosaurs still living in that swamp! Dinosaurs still alive? In 1910, New York Herald ran an article about dinosaurs still living in Africa’s swamps. Here’s in the Saturday Evening Post in 1948, “There Could be Dinosaurs” still alive in Africa. A big game hunter named Mr. Gobler returned from a trip from Angola. He announced to the Cape Town newspaper, the Cape Argus, that there was ... “an animal of large dimensions, the description of which could only fit a dinosaur.” The natives there call it the: Chipekwe. Over in the Central Africa Republic, they call it: Ngururi. Roy Mackal went there in 1980, on an expedition; he spent a quarter million dollars. And he went back the next year and he went to that swamp. And he said that swamp is the most miserable swamp on planet earth. The mosquitoes landed on them at the rate of a thousand per hour, ... constantly - like swarms of dust around you, blood thirsty mosquitoes. 95 degrees F (35 C), and 95% humidity all the time. As they traveled around the swamp the natives talked about this animal called: Mahomba. He said what’s that and he showed them a crocodile. And they said, “Yes, that is Mahomba,” and he said how big does it get? And they paced off on the sandbar - 50 feet long (15 m). Now if you’re a pygmy 4’ 4” (1.3 m), a fifty foot crocodile looks really big to you! Everybody says that, “No, crocodiles don’t get past about 17 feet (5.2 m) long.” I don’t think that is correct. Earlier in the summer of 2005, they killed a 24” crocodile in that same swamp. Of course, the natives will say, “You should see the big ones!” The natives also talk about another animal that they call: Mokele-Mbembe. Mokele-Mbembe? ...What on earth is that? If you show them a picture of an Apatosaurus, they will say, “Yes, that is it, mokele-Mbembe.” The natives claim that these animals live under water. They are very rare, of course they are deep in that swamp in central Africa. Nobody goes out at night anyways. There are no lights over there at night. The animals are mostly seen early in the morning or late in the evening ... when they come out, and their favorite plant is the Molombo plant. There is Dr. Mackal holding the Molombo plant. Dr. Mackel was a University of Chicago Microbiology professor. He went over there and studied all of this carefully. He came back and wrote a book, called, “A Living Dinosaur” He believes in Evolution, but his book is great about the evidence ... for dinosaurs still living in an African swamp. They found foot prints of the creatures. A missionary friend of mine was there for 43 years as a missionary, Eugene Thomas. He is Ohio now. Here is his phone number, call him up. He was there for 43 years. He said “I have two pygmies in my church that killed one and ate it.” Dinosaurs. There have been reports of these creatures in that swamp for a long time. One Belgian Congo biologist went up river 500 miles from his house said he saw one. But his camera malfunctioned because of the high heat and humidity. There have been many reports of dinosaurs in that swamp; you can study this for yourself. One group went there and they said, the creature was dark brown in color, the skin slick and smooth. A long neck and a small head; they heard it, they saw it, it was making a roaring noise. And the government officials even saw it. There was an article in the Boston Herald newspaper about a group going over to look for the dinosaur. A dinosaur that is still alive in the huge and mostly unexplored Congo Swamp. All you have to do is type in “Crypto zoology,” Crypto means hidden, and zoology means animals. Crypto zoology - you will find all kinds of stuff about dinosaurs still living. The natives claim these animals live in caves along the side of the river. William Gibbons has been there 4 times now to the Congo Swamp. He and I wrote this book together for kids, “Claws, Jaws and Dinosaurs” William Gibbons wrote me a letter, “According to our guide, Pierre Sima, ... we were the first white men to actually penetrate the forest and swamps bordering the Boumba River.” “Our informants almost all of them Baka Pygmies, with the exception of an elderly Cameroonian Muslim, are perfectly familiar with all the known and unknown animals of the swamp. ... While they do not regard the Le’Kela-bembe, that’s a different language, as being an unusual animal, they do fear the creature because of its ferocity, in attacking hippos, Elephants and crocodiles. The animal appears to be completely intolerant of any other large creature that shares the river ... and controls the large stretches of the river, particularly where its food supply is present.” “The two suspected dinosaurians Mokele-Mbembe and N’Goubou, are encountered on a regular basis. I questioned an older Baka couple that work on Pierre’s plantation. Like most pygmies they are very familiar with the flora and fauna of the region. I presented them with our book of known African animals and dinosaur illustrations. About 98% of the dinosaur illustrations were rejected - except for two. Which they picked out without hesitation that they had observed. One was a sauraupod dinosaur and the other was a Triceratops.” Now why would people in the middle of the swamp in Africa say, “Oh yeah, we’ve seen that one?” Missionary Cal Bombay was there for years in Kenya. He said he and his wife had seen one of these creatures. But the plates on the back were bigger; more like a Stegosaurus. Down in South America they have the Amazon Jungle which is huge. In 1907 the British army sent Colonel P.H. Fawcett to mark the boundary between Brazil and Peru. He was an officer in the royal engineers and was known as a meticulous recorder of facts. In the Beni Swamps he said he saw what he believed to be a Diplodocus. The natives and the tribes around there said, “Oh yeah, that animal still lives out here in the swamp.” Colonel Fawcett’s son made sketches of the foot prints. In 1883, Scientific American ran this article, before they got committed to Evolution. An article like this would never make it in Scientific American today. Because now they are dedicated to preserving the evolutionary theory. But they said that “The Brazilian minister at La Paz, Bolivia, had remitted to ... the minister of Foreign Affairs in Rio, photographs of drawings of an extraordinary ... saurian (dinosaur) killed on the Beni after receiving 36 shots fired at it. ... By the order of the president the dried body had been preserved and was sent to La Paz.” It was 12 meters long, i.e. 39 feet from snout to point. It had scale amour, the neck long, and its belly large, almost dragging the ground. Professor Gilveti examined the beast and said it was a member of a lost species. The Indians in that region make small earthen vessels the same shape. They are probably copied from nature. Dinosaurs? A missionary named Vaughn Goff called me three days ago, because I was driving up here to Indiana. He said the natives in his area talk about a lizard that is 30 feet long (9 m), and 5 feet tall. It makes a thundering noise to startle its prey. The native Waiwai Indians call it “urufere” and they are terrified of this creature. Email him if you want to talk about dinosaurs still in the swamp down there. Here’s a giant snake that was killed several years ago. It is a 35 foot snake (10.7 m); it had eaten a man who fell asleep on the job. It is a good idea to stay awake on the job, fellas. This snake was reported in Indonesia as being 49 feet long (15 m). I don’t know if it is true or not. People might have exaggerated, but that’s the report of a giant snake down there. Colonel Percy Fawcett said he killed a 62 foot (19 m) Anaconda Snake and the natives were terrified. They said, “Colonel, if there is one, there is going to be another one!” The officials at the Brazil Columbia boundary in 1933 killed a 98 foot (30 m) snake, 2 feet in diameter. It weighed 2 tons. The cook from a hotel in the Amazon said they once saw a 100 foot (30.5 m) snake. The military hunted it down after it killed and eaten 2 soldiers. The head was 5 feet (1.5 m) long. Reuters News Service reported a 130 foot (39.6 m) snake back in 1997. And here, this thing floated down the Amazon River. Nobody poked it to see if it was alive. They reported it to be nearly 150 feet (46 m) long. The Amazon River is huge. A former student of mine, a missionary, said the Amazon River halfway up is 9 miles (14.5 km) wide. The Amazon is a long and wide river! There is a lake in Scotland called Lock Ness. Has anybody ever heard of Lock Ness? Lock Ness is a huge lake 24 miles long (39 km), over a mile (2 km) wide, and up to 900 feet (275 m) deep. It is big enough that everybody on Planet Earth could go drown in it at the same time. It would hold the entire population of the whole world. 6 billion people would fit into that lake. It’s huge. In 1933, a road bed was cut into the side of the mountain. Before 1933 if you wanted to see the lake you had to climb over the mountain. Or go up the river 7 miles (11 km) in your boat. So not many people went there; it is sparsely populated. In 1933, when the road was put in there, had 52 separate sightings of the Lock Ness Monster. This author said there were 9,000 sightings by the 1960’s, when this book was written. Today there are over 11,000 reported sightings of the Lock ness Monster. 11,000! Of course some are fake and some are frauds. I wouldn’t trust some newspapers, where they have lots of weird stuff in there. Sir Peter Scott is a member of the Parliament. He said he saw it. He believes it is a Plesiosaur. Almost everybody that sees it says it is this animal right here, a Plesiosaurus. Long neck, four big flippers. One guy wrote a book, and he said ... “Some people think Nessie is a Plesiosaur. But there is one thing wrong with this theory. ... Plesiosaurs are believed to have become extinct 70 million years ago.” Oh, is that what is wrong with the theory? They “believe” in evolution. I think this evolution theory has to be the biggest hindrance to scientific research that has ever been. You should look at the facts; forget your theories. Look at the facts first and then come up with your conclusions. A man named Arthur Grant nearly ran into Nessie with his motorcycle one night. He said, “I had a splendid view of the object. In fact I almost struck it with my motorcycle! It had a long neck, and large oval shaped eyes, on top of a small head. The tail would be 5 to 6 feet (1.5 - 2 m) long.” As he describes it 15 to 20 feet long (4.6 - 6 m) altogether. He said he knows some things about natural history. He was a veterinarian student. He said, “I have never seen anything like it in my life!” Here is the sketch of what he drew of what he nearly ran over on his motorcycle. It looks like a 20 foot long Plesiosaur. Alexander Campbell was the game warden for Lock Ness for 47 years. He said he saw it 18 times. There’s the sketch that he drew of it. Many people have tried to catch the Lock Ness Monster. They have used everything that you can imagine for bait and some things that you can not imagine. So far nobody has caught it. The lake is huge but there has been many, many sketches drawn. One family said they saw it with a sheep in its mouth. One guy got a picture of it with its hump sticking out of the water; the neck is over on the far right. Reader’s Digest, (they crop everything down) they cut the neck off when they published their picture. McCloud said he watched for 9 minutes through his binoculars he made four sketches of it of what he saw. McCloud said, “I think the monster looks like this.” All you have to do is watch T.V. programs where they talk about the Lock Ness Monster. There are thousands of people that will go on record and say, “I have seen it.” World Book Encyclopedia paid to have a submarine taken over there from South Carolina. The guy said the water is so black that he couldn’t even see the front of his own boat. Lock Ness is like a giant mud puddle. You go down just a few feet/meters and the visibility is zero. You can’t see a thing. The Japanese put 24 boats and went down all the way in the lake And they reported that they had scanned the entire bottom with sonar. They said that this is a deep lake and it is wrinkled up like a raisin. And there are caves going off to the sides, probably with air chambers. The creature can go inside the mountain, and breathe and live in there. One guy got a picture of a diamond shaped flipper under water. Again, they thought it was a Plesiosaur. Reader’s Digest published this picture back in 1978. The picture is right there on the floor showing Nessie with its mouth open. We can go all day long about Lock ness Monsters. They said this 1933 picture was a fake, and it probably was, but I don’t know. It is interesting that they waited until the last guy that was involved died to then announce it was a fake. Now how do you check out the truth? There are other odd lakes besides Lock Ness. There’s Loch Lochy. There’s Loch Morar. There are many other lakes that are reporting creatures. There’s one called Morgawr, the Cornish sea serpent, near England. The English Channel has many reported sightings of a creature like this. In 1749, in England, a creature was caught. Resembling to some degree an alligator. But it had two large fins, the body was covered with impenetrate scales, and 5 rows of teeth. In 1934 this thing washed up on the beach in Normandy, France. There’s a guy there looking at it to show you the scale. A couple of scientists reported that this creature swam past their boat in Brazil in 1905. They reported the whole thing in a scientific journal at the time. The creature had a dorsal fin was 6 feet high, 2 feet high, and a small head on a neck of 7 or 8 feet long. Two experienced British naturalists reported the thing. Again we can go all day on reported sightings. This thing in 1977, a Japanese fishing boat pulled this up in their net. It was 32 feet (10 m) long, 4000 pounds (1800 kg). They said what on earth is that? The captain said I don’t know but it stinks. When they set it down on the deck it broke in half. They made a bunch of sketches and took five pictures, and then they shoved it over board. A special stamp was made for Japanese mail in 1977. Some people argue that it may have been a Basking Shark. And I agree, it might have been a basking shark. But the fishermen on board said, “We know what a basking shark is, and we don’t that is it.” Basking Sharks tend to rot away leaving the head part behind. That’s a basking shark right there. It could have been a Basking Shark it doesn’t matter to me. They say the protein is 96% similar. Yes I know, but no one has ever seen Plesiosaur protein, to know what it is suppose to look like. Humans and apes are similar but have many differences also. There are a lot of arguments about that - it doesn’t matter to me. But some people get all bent out of shape for me even mentioning the Japanese catch of 1977. Russians report a creature in a lake up there called the mystery of the lake. It looks like a dinosaur washed up on the beach in Russia in 1994. It was 39 feet long (12 m). This apparently is a doctored photo of a shark. Somebody with Photoshop made it look like a Plesiosaur but actually it is just a doctored photo. So be careful there are plenty of frauds out there, no question. But the existence of a fraud or a counterfeit does not disprove the existence of the original. In 2004, a bunch of people over in Papua, New Guinea reported a creature like a dinosaur. 10 feet tall with a tail like an alligator and a head like a dog. It was right on the island in the city of Kokopo. One lady said she saw it and she ran for her life. She saw a 3 meter tall creature with a head like a dog and a tail like a crocodile. You can read all about it on the Internet about this creature seen just in 2004. Japan also reports on having some of these creatures. The north island of Hokkaido reports them and also the main south island of Japan. They call it “Issie” in Lake Ikeda. In China there’s reported one called USO, Unidentified Swimming Object. Norway has several reported sightings, as do Swedish lakes, in a couple of Swedish lakes up there. They call it, “Storsjoodjuret” in Lake Storjon. In Norway they got a creature that is very similar to Lock Ness Monster. Hundreds of people say they have seen it. It is in the news occasionally, just like Lock Ness. Canada has reported sightings of these creatures, Canadian lake monsters. Nessie’s Canadian cousin. There’s a lake in the town of Kelowna called Lake Okanagan. It is a huge Lake, 80 miles long (130 km). I have been up there twice to speak in the town of Kelowna. The natives call this creature Ogopogo. We sell a book on our table back there if you want to get that: The Ogopogo. It is very similar to the Lock ness Monster. Thousands of folks claim that they have seen that one. This article says, “They were the latest among thousands to see something strange ... in this narrow 18 mile long (30 km) lake. One guy swam the length of the lake. He said the thing came up under him and it scared him half to death.” I have news articles like crazy about this. She said, “I saw Ogopogo twice.” I interview John Caruso. He and his family were sleeping in their boat on the lake. They were camping out on the lake on their big boat and something bumped the bottom of their boat. It woke them all up early in the morning. They went out and they saw two Ogopogos ... swimming across the lake he went back and grabbed his camera. By the time he got it it was pretty far away, but he gave me a copy of the video footage. It was too far away to make out the details, but he said, “Look, brother Hovind, I saw Ogopogo!” Many, many people will go on record and say that they have seen it. There is one in Cadboro Bay, British Columbia. There’s a book about that if you want to read more. A baby Caddy was found inside of the stomach of a Sperm Whale. They say it has short, pointed, front flippers, and it’s a long necked beast with a horse-like head. One guy caught a baby one with his dip net. He drew a sketch of it before he released it. He didn’t know what it was, so he let it go. I interviewed this guy for an hour. These four guys were fishing in Canada. A creature chased their boat off Cape Sable Island, Nova Scotia when I was preaching up there. That happened in 1992, when I met him. He said he was 67 when this happened. He had been fishing out there since he was 5. This 40-50 foot long (12-15 m) creature chased their boat for 1-2 miles. He said the neck was two feet thick and 8-9 feet long (2.5-3 m), it had a 9 inch (23 cm) diameter eyes. He said they were 6 miles south of Cape Sable Island. He said that he didn’t want to see it again. That’s what he told me. This thing washed up on the beach in Newfoundland, Canada. Sometimes big blobs wash up on shore. Sometimes it is whale skin. The whale dies, it gets mostly eaten, but the layer of blubber gets washed up. Sometimes it’s a Basking Shark. This thing washed up in Parker Cove, Canada. I talked to many folks who said they saw it. A lot of people went and analyzed it. I don’t think that it’s ever been positively determined what it was. It might have been a basking shark, no one knows positively, but it’s gone now. People cut pieces off it. The vertebrate do tend to look like shark vertebrae instead of any other kind. It’s just interesting that stuff like this washes up on the beach. We sell a book called “Monster! Monster!,” ... about North American lake monsters and sea serpents. And here is a good book by Lauren Coleman who is a Crypto zoologist, but also an evolutionist. I interviewed Jacques Boisvert for three hours. He collects sightings of the Lake Memphremagog creature, between Vermont and Quebec, Canada. Hundreds of folks claim they have seen something in this lake up there in Lake Memphremagog. Creatures have been seen in the Potomac River. There’s a book about the great New England Sea Serpent. There’s a island off of Connecticut and Rhode Island called Block Island. Many folks claim they seen creatures swimming around out there. They call it the “Block Ness Monster.” One washed up in 1996. Another thing also washed up in 2004. It never was identified that I know of. I interview people all the time about these things. Lake Erie’s apparently got one. “Erie’s Besse matches Nessie,” they say. It is 35 feet long (11 m) and they say it has a snake-like head. It’s in the newspaper once in a while about Lake Erie’s Monster. A dead baby creature was found on the beach of Lake Erie. A guy took it home and stuffed it, and mounted it, he’s a taxidermist. He said, “You tell me what it is, I don’t know!” Dr. Baugh bought it and it is in his museum in Texas. It has never been identified. They are not sure, it may be a fake. Nobody knows. A very interesting little critter. I interviewed the sheriff that was the first guy that saw the Scituate Harbor Monster. It was 50 feet long (15 m) when it washed up on the beach Everybody started cutting pieces off. By the time they got the photo it was pretty butchered up. Some people argued it was a Basking Shark, others said it was a real sea serpent. The health department said, “We don’t care it stinks so we are getting it out of here.” They blew it up with dynamite. California, in 1925, this critter washed up on the beach. That’s the head and there’s the neck - going down to the right. Just the neck was 20 feet long (6 m). Everybody that examined it said it was a Plesiosaurus - a 20 foot (6 m) neck! One Atheist wrote me a letter and said, “Hovind you’re so stupid, don’t you know that was a whale?” I said, “Now where exactly is the neck on a whale?” It ought to be between the head and the flippers. He said, “It’s a rare form Bairds Beaked Whale.” It’s pretty rare all right with a 20 foot (6 m) neck. The people who saw it said it was a Plesiosaurus. Why is that so hard to believe? You know why people resist explanations like that? It goes against their evolutionary theory. They like the Evolution theory because it gives them freedom from God. That’s why they like that theory. We can spend all day on Crypto zoology stuff. I have studied this for years. I have interviewed a hundred people that have claimed that they seen a living dinosaur. New York, in 1969, the Harbor police chased something much bigger than a whale up river. They never did catch it. It could have been a Zeuglodon or a Basilosaurus. I don’t know. But the White River Monster in New Port, Arkansas has been reported many times - up until 1973. Apparently it disappeared. In Arkansas the Senate passed a resolution. It says it is unlawful to molest, kill or trample the White River Monster. Off the coast of Juniper, Florida, something has been seen similar to a dinosaur ... swimming in the ocean out there. You can read the articles for yourself. A lot of this stuff is on my web site, you can read all about this. There’s a lake between New York and Vermont called Lake Champlain. Many people have claimed they have seen the Lake Champlain Monster. I interviewed Sandy who took this picture. I said, “Sandy, do you think that you saw a dinosaur?” She said “No, I know I saw a dinosaur.” She and her husband and her two kids watched it for ten minutes. 58 people on the Ethan Allen thought they saw a creature out in the lake. I don’t know maybe they just ate too many Twinkies. The captain on board back in 1998 said, “If you think what I saw was a fish it weighed 3000 to 5000 pounds (1300-2300 kg).” The Bible talks about the dragons of the waters. Isaiah 27:1) “He shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.” In Pensacola where I live, 5 teenagers went scuba diving back in 1962. One survived the trip. Here is what he said. They were going out to the sunken ship in the Pensacola Harbor called the Massachusetts. “We were in an Air force rescue raft bound for a sunken ship a few miles off the coast. Midway out we were caught in a storm and dragged out to sea. ... When the storm cleared we were in a dense fog. ... We began to hear strange noises like a splashing of a porpoise. And a sickening odor like dead fish. The noise got closer to the raft and I heard a loud hissing sound. Out in the fog we saw what looked like a long pole about ten feet (3 m) high. It was sticking up out of the water. On top was a bulb-like structure. It bent in the middle and went under. It appeared several more times getting closer to the raft. The silence was broken once again by something out of the fog. I can only describe it as a high pitch whine. We panicked. All five of us put on our fins and went into the water. Keep together and try for the ship!” I yelled. After we got in the water we got split up in the fog. And from behind I could hear the screams of my comrades one by one. I got a closer look at the thing just before my last friend went under. ... The neck was about 12 feet long, brownish green and smooth looking. The head was like a sea turtle except more elongated. The eyes were green with oval pupils. I don’t know how long it was before I heard a scream. It lasted maybe a half of minute. Then I heard Warren call, “Hey help me! it’s got Brad! I’ve got to get out of here!” His voice was cut off abruptly by a short cry. “Brad, Warren! Hey, where is everybody?” I yelled back at the top of my lungs. Larry now swam with Eric and me. Warren and Brad were no where in sight. Right next to Eric that telephone pole-like figure broke water, I could see the long neck and two small eyes. The mouth opened and it bent over. It dove on top of Eric, dragging him under. I screamed and I began to swim past the ship, my insides were shaking uncontrollably. He drew a sketch of the thing that killed his friends. He said, I finally made it to the top of the ship and stayed there most of the night. The next morning, I swam to the shore and I was found by the rescue unit. That’s the sketch that Brian McCleary drew of what he saw that killed his four friends. I was speaking in Fort Walton Beach, Florida, one time. Valerie Bill came to me and said, “Mr. Hovind my step-son Larry Bill was one of those four kids. That story that you are telling is correct.” But the Pensacola News Journal said, after they interviewed him, they said, “This is a beach town; people come here to go swimming. ... we are not going to report that your friends got eaten by a dinosaur. We are going to report that they drowned.” So that’s what the Newspaper said, “four teenagers drowned.” In Panama City, Florida, there was something similar that was seen there. A youth director of a Lutheran Church told me that his whole youth group was in the van. And they saw a creature like that out in Panama City Harbor. There have been many reports of dinosaurs still living. There could be some Pterodactyls still alive. The natives call these animals the “Kongamato” if you’re in the Congo. If in Kenya they call it “Batamzinga.” Steve Romonde had previously on the Kenyan Olympic Running Team. He called me and said he was then going to school in Louisiana. He said, “Mr. Hovind, I saw those creatures. We’ve got them in my village in Kenya.” Their favorite food is decaying human flesh. They dig up graves and eat the bodies. Lots of folks have been talking about the Kongamato (or “Batamzinga”). We could cover dinosaurs still living for hours. There have been lots of reports of Pterodactyls still around. I get calls about this from people all the time about Pterodactyls being seen. They’re seen in Papua, New Guinea, or over in Indonesia, or in Venezuela. I wish we had time to cover about all these Pterodactyl sightings. Dave Weitzel went there and said the natives kept talking about this flying “Ropen.” It glows in the dark over in Papua, New Guinea. He lives on the island right there. You say, “So what’s the point?” You say, “Brother Hovind, who cares?” I think there are dinosaurs still alive. And I think that we have really been lied to about the dinosaurs. Now I don’t think there’s many, and it is probable safe to go to the dorm. Don’t get excited and say, “We are going to get eaten by a dinosaur.” No, its not that way, the hallway will be clear tonight, I assure you. The Indians got a legend called the “Thunderbird.” They say that they saw a giant bird got hit by lightening. When they found it three days later the buzzards had picked the bones clean. But they said the wing span was 20 feet (7 m) and it had a bony bump on the back of its head. The Indian prayer sticks to this day, have a head of a Pterodactyl on them. Henry Ford put an Eagle on the tail light it was a Thunderbird. It should have been a Pterodactyl. You blew it Henry. A French explorer Jacques Marquette and Joliet stopped where what is now the town of Saint Louis. They reported that they saw a big ugly bird painted on a cliff on the other side in Alton, Illinois. The Indians said it was a Piasa bird. A great chief killed him years ago. They painted the picture up there for years They finally put a big metal plaque. There’s me there for scale; they later took it down for fear that the plaque would fall I guess they recently put the Piasa plaque back up. If you go to Alton, Illinois, you will see the word Piasa: Piasa Diary Queen, etc. ... it’s pretty famous over there, what ever the Piasa bird was. People say, “Brother Hovind, why do you speak about dinosaurs?” Well for one thing Satan is using them to teach his gospel. It’s time that Christians put up a defense. Christians are confused where dinosaurs fit in. They are a great evangelistic tool. Kids will gather around you like crazy when you get dinosaurs. “He’s the chief of ways of God.” well then God ought to get the glory. The Bible also talks about Leviathan. That’s a whole another story, we will cover the Leviathan another time. So basically God made everything in six days. Dinosaurs lived with man, people have killed them. There could be a few still alive, and Christians need to quit worrying about dinosaurs. And we should start using them for God’s glory. We’ll cover more on that in the next session. Hello, this is Kent Hovind. It is August 31st 1993. I am sitting here at “The Antique Quest” in Winchester, New Hampshire, with Sandy Mansi. It’s good to see you again Sandy. I saw you back in 1992; and Sandy is the one that saw Champ. Her picture appears on the cover of the book by Joseph W. Zarzynski. Why don’t you tell us when it was, and where you were, and a little bit about it. I was in Vermont, on the Vermont side and my husband, well we won’t married at the time, my fiance (now my husband) and my children. We were exploring the lake. I grew up in that area, and we were just exploring the lake sitting there; enjoying the peace and quiet. My husband had gone back to the car to get a camera and while he was gone there was a disturbance in the lake. And I looked out and I thought it was perhaps a school of fish; maybe a scuba diver or something, And then the head and neck broke the surface of the water. The head flipped up, and the neck and the back - and I knew it wasn’t a fish. And some people said, I heard that some body told you that they thought it was a duck. Well maybe it was a two thousand pound duck! When you were at the church, you came to hear me speak in Dublin, New Hampshire. I had all my dinosaurs on the table, you immediately picked up this one as Champ. But you said it was a little different than what you saw. Yes, what I saw, the creature’s neck was not as nearly as long. The head is shaped right like a horse head. The neck is not near as long. There are three or four different swimming dinosaurs that the bones have been found of. There’s the Cronosaur, that has a huge neck; the Plesiosaur which you are holding; ... then there is the Elasmosaur, it had a shorter neck, and the head is at a right angle to the body. Not actually in line with the body. There may also be others undiscovered yet. We will get that where they can see this image on the camera. I think this one, but more with a shorter neck, or the neck may not of been all out of the water too. Okay, all right this was back in 1977. Yes. How many other people do you know or have you talked to that claimed they have seen it also? I have spoken with probably about six different people who have seen it. And all of our accounts are very, very similar. So we all can’t be crazy. We all can’t be telling of something that we did not see; but they are all very, very similar. The shape of the head and neck, just the massive size of it. You watched it for about how long would you say? Probably from the time of the disturbance until it went back down, maybe eight minutes to ten minutes. Eight to ten minutes, okay. You told me the last time we talked about a year ago, ... when it first came up it was looking different directions, it was looking around. When it came up, it was facing this way kind of to me, then when it came up out of the water. It looked around, when I did take the one snap shot, it was getting fidgety. It was getting a little more movement to it, and it had turned its head to look over its back And that’s when I got the snap shot, and then it turned and went down. It started going down like this, and then it put its head down under the water. After it was completely under water, I heard a boat coming. I heard a boat. I didn’t even see the boat, but I heard it coming. It knew that a boat was coming long before my sense of hearing did. A lot of people that I interview have told me like the ones in Africa, dinosaurs in Africa, the natives claim that they have very sensitive hearing. They can hear you coming and then they’ll duck under the water. I’ve got missionary friends over there that say there are dinosaurs over there in that swamp. Absolutely, I am sure of it. If God created one, He created many. Sure. This is something that has to be a creation. It is not something that comes from an eel or any of that nonsense. If He created one, He created many. Sure, Right. Your picture as well as being on the cover of Joseph’s book is been in a number of places. It was in Time Magazine, July, 1981. You were on the TV show “Unsolved Mysteries,” this last week? “Unsolved Mysteries” has me shown three times. The first time was in September of last year, 1992. Then recently again about a week or so ago. They had another run of. So you are a movie star now. No. There are those who teach that Evolution is a proven fact. That dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. As you know I think very differently, and I have been a science teacher for 15 years, I have a strong opinion that a few dinosaurs are even still a live, the world is not millions of years ago. Would you saw that what you saw best describes as being a dinosaur of some kind? Water dwelling? I saw a dinosaur. You felt like you were seeing a dinosaur, huh? I know I did. Not “felt,” I KNOW that I saw a dinosaur. You know, okay. I saw a dinosaur. The question comes to some people’s mind, why did you only take one picture? Because I did not want to miss anything. Because you were watching it? I was busy watching it. I brought the camera. I took the one photograph and I put it down. I did not want to miss anything. I was in such total awe. Right. I was in awe over what was happening, and I don’t even know why I took the one. It was just instinct; my husband had handed me the camera. He had gone after the camera to take pictures of the children. That was before it surfaced. He didn’t even know anything was going on until he got back there. And he handed me the camera so he could help me up the bank. I was shaking, and I moved down on my knees, and I picked the camera up. I took the one photograph and I put it down. ...I was going to fall down. You could have taken twenty pictures. Right. Absolutely. But I wanted to watch it. ...And my mind was trying to rationalize it... And I was trying to think - what is this? And it comes to a point when you cannot rationalize with yourself. You stand in awe. Well, great. Anything else? Any typical questions you get asked? Most of the people that interview you, are those that believe in Evolution? Yes. How do you feel about that? You don’t like that. I agree with you 100%. I appreciate you letting me use your picture. I put it on one of my posters. Beautiful. I have quite a few pictures from different people. My motive is to strength people’s faith in the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God. There’s Sandy’s picture. You have been featured in a number of shows, magazines, and things like that. You have lived here how long in Winchester? Twenty years. Twenty years, so you had no intention of becoming a celebrity by photographing Champ? No, as a matter of fact I didn’t even want to publish; I kept it a secret for two years. Then I made them keep it in the scientific world. I was forced by the media to publish, because they were calling. And wondered, “...if this exist then why have we not seen it?” so I was forced to do it. That’s why I had to put a copyright on it, so I could have some control and protection. They would have to get my permission in order to use it. That was smart, a good move. Now people ask me, “If there are so many of these creatures then why don’t we get more pictures?” I ask them the question, “Have you ever seen a car wreck?” They say, “Well, sure.” I say, “Give me a picture of one as it happens.” You never see a picture of a car wreck as it happens, yet thousands of car wrecks happens. So its fleeting, it last a few seconds, and you don’t think about taking a picture until it’s too late. That’s right. Well maybe you could keep me posted. And send me any information since people probably come to you all the time and say “I saw it.” Yes. I would like to keep a file of that. Send me a list. Absolutely. (Dr. Hovind’s continues his interview with Sandi Mansi) Here is Champ up here on the wall. Tell them about the old gentleman that came and looked at it. I was standing here at the counter. An elderly gentleman came in. And he was staring at the picture, and staring, and he asked me what it was? I told him it was “Champ” in Lake Champlain. He went on to tell me that he never told a soul about this, and he was in his eighties. He said he was eighty-nine or eighty-seven. He told me about when he was a young man, he went fishing with his grandfather up in Lake Champlain. It was up by the Bulwagga Bay, in that area. He grew up on the lake? Yes, he grew up on the lake. He told me a time that He and his grandfather were out fishing - and this monstrous big thing came out of the water And his grandfather told him that it was Champ and that he wasn’t to tell anybody. People would only laugh and think that they were insane. All those years he never told a soul about it. I was the first person that he told. He said to me, “I was not insane and my grandfather was not insane, we saw a living, breathing dinosaur.” And I was like, Hallelujah. Yes. More testimonies. Absolutely. Now other people have seen it and come to you and say...? Yes, I appreciate that because it gives me the indication that I am not crazy. I was not prefabricating it. This is what I saw, and this is what they saw. And we all saw something, and someday maybe the lake will give up her secret; let’s not kill it. Don’t kill it, no. Right thank you so much, you’ve got customers here, we better let you go (The following is the video taken by Lee Smith from the top of the lighthouse at Crown Point, New York) Child: It’s a shark! It’s got some white things on it! It’s coming out of it - coming out of the water. Hey it’s going under. It’s following its trails. It went under right there, dad. Let’s see those binoculars. Huh? Let’s see those binoculars. Was it a shark? No, it wasn’t a shark. Something just came up there. I saw it, dad. Yeah, it went under. I think we just saw “Champ.” What’s Champ? The Lake Champlain sea monster. But now it’s gone, Clayton. I shouldn’t have looked out of the binoculars so long; I should have gotten the camera. It probably went under the same way; it started way the heck out there. He was just past that buoy when that sail boat went by. I know. I was looking at it with the binoculars. I thought it was just a log. It went all the way from that buoy all the way inland, then it went underneath right in there. (Lee Smith video ends; scientific video begins.) This is a giant squid of the species Architeuthis Dux. It came on shore November 22, 1979, near Brainerd’s Conurs Island, Bon Vista Bay, Newfoundland. It is an immature female. It is a small female, but it is of the species of the Giant Squid. I believe the Giant Squid reaches approximately a maximum size of something like 150 feet (46 m). If this is 20 feet (6 m) long than it’s almost 8 times longer than this in overall length. That’s a big Squid. (The following are various interviews with people who have seen strange creatures in the sea.) In 1976, Just 30 miles (50 km) off of the Lizard Point, in Cornwall, two fishermen, ... George Venican and John Cox also met a monster. It once came in 30 miles off, 25 - 30 miles (45-50 km) off. I saw what I thought what was an upturned boat on me. We went over to investigate. When we got closer we could see that it wasn’t an up turned boat. It was something others have seen before. So dark in color with sort of bumps on the back. Between 15-18 feet (4-5 m) in length. Rising above the sea about 3 feet (1 m). It was a flat (no waves) calm day; there was no disturbance on the sea at all. We got up closer, I came astern (to the rear of the boat), it was raising up out of the water. He was only about 3 feet (1 m) from where the back of the boat was. His head peered out of the water! I thought it was a thing that I never saw before in my 40 years at sea. And it gradually sank in the water; and then it disappeared. After talking about it, the only thing we could think of was that it is very much like a prehistoric animal! We are having an open line program. ... Theresa, How are you? I am fine, thank you. We are talking about the Ogopogo today. A lot of people in the area have seen it. The legend goes on for many years, and we will be talking to some experts. We’ve got Arlene Gull coming in. Arlene wrote a book on it. That’s right. We are going to go to the phone lines right now. Line two, good morning. Hello there Mr. Palridge. Yes go ahead sir! You wanted to know about Ogopogo. I certainly do. Yes, okay, I had a taxi and I took a passenger to the hospital. I was coming down Abbott Street, and I got as far as about here, I looked towards the lake I was surprised. I saw this thing come out of the water. It was like a horse’s head with kind of horns on it. Well he was huge. Standing up there, oh my - just like a big serpent. Then another fellow came up behind me, “what are you looking at?” I said, “I see Ogopogo over there.” He said, “Where!? Where?” “Over there,” I said. I had the door opened of the car. I stepped out just a little bit - and he slipped back down into the water. He said, “Gee look at the big waves there.” And all we could see was big waves, going down there over near the boat ramp. And it disappeared. Then I got all excited. I got in the car. I pulled into the Willow Inn and I told the people. They were having breakfast. “I’ve just seen Ogopogo!” They said, “What the heck have you been drinking?” Line four, go ahead please. Hello John. How are you? I am not too bad. Good. Are you going to give me your name? No, I am not. Okay. I saw Ogopogo off of Clarsen four years ago. You don’t want to give your name on the air. No, I don’t. You told some people obviously. Ah, yes. Are you afraid that they will think that you are a little bit crazy? I later had some strange phone calls. I get them everyday and that’s what they pay me for. Well I do not get paid for them; I really don’t want any more, thank you. We were up on the beach having a picnic. My daughter was on the swings when I saw this “creature” underneath the wharf there. When I turned around and saw it and realized it was the legendary Ogopogo, I just freaked out. I just grabbed the baby and ran down to the beach. And I guess I yelled over and over “It’s him!” She was screaming loudly. I couldn’t believe it; her face was so red. It was fishing, or whatever it was doing. It was there for quite some time, then it straightened out. And it went along those poles. As it traveled along just the three humps were showing. And they were from one end of those poles to the other; spaced out, the three humps were. It traveled along the beach until about the corner over there. And then it turned and it went straight across the lake. All right we are going to break from the phone calls right now. And we’ll introduce to you someone that’s well known to the Okanagan Valley. Arlene Gaal; Arlene has written a book on the Ogopogo. Good morning, Arlene. Good Morning John. Good morning Theresa. Good morning Arlene. How many sighting have you documented? Literally hundreds. When was the first sighting? The very first sighting was in 1852. The first documented sighting was in 1852, and it is now 1980. Do we take it to mean that there must be more than one Ogopogo? There definitely appears to be more than one. There has been a film made, I think it was back in 1968. It’s pretty hard not to believe when you see it right in front of your eyes. Tell us about that film this morning. The Folden film was taken in 1968 by a gentleman by the name of Art Folden. He was returning from a trip to his home in Chase. And as he neared the peach lined area he spotted an object in the lake. He said to his wife, “Look, there is Ogopogo.” She laughed at him. He got out and started filming the creature. What we see in the film is a large animate object moving through the water. It is surfacing and submerging at various speeds and at various times. It also shows the creature taking off at very high speed and producing a massive wake. And this is the footage in the film that I like very much because you see a creature just pushing water quickly, with that massive wake - creating huge wave action. This is believability on my part. Have there been any recent sightings? We’ve had approximately seven to eight sightings this year. We have one that has been the very best sighting. Why? That was the Rieger family. It was a beautiful day the water was just as calm as glass. I just looked across and I could see a big wave coming at me. And at that time I did not take much notice of it, but it kept coming closer. And I thought to myself, why would there be a wave coming if there’s no wind or anything? So I called to my son, I said come on back here and take a look. See if you can think what the heck is coming down the lake here. So he took a look at it and replied, “Gee, I don’t know.” So we had my grandson along too. He said, “Hey Grandpa, that’s the Ogopogo!” It would have ran right into us, but we pulled the boat along off to the side. So we followed it along side for about maybe 15 -20 minutes. I would say the monster was possibly 14-16 feet long (4-5 m) and which was above water was about 3 feet. It had quite a hump in the front shoulders, and it had a hump on the back where the tail was. I’d say the tail was approximately 30-40 (9-12 m) or maybe 50 feet you couldn’t see the end of it. But he did have a long tail. He had four legs. I would say the monster weighed approximately maybe 30 tons. And his head in the front was moving from side to side. It seemed like it was looking for fish or feeding or something like that. He was stirring up a tremendous amount of water. If I never seen it, I wouldn’t have ever believed it. Actually I don’t really care if anyone believes me or not. I saw that animal and I know it is here. I know it is a tremendous size animal. It was some sort of a “monster fish” for lack of a better word. But it was approximately 30 to 35 feet (9-11 m) in length. Its head was protruding out of the water, and you could see the flagellum action of the tail. And the waves were going beyond it. And I took two pictures of it. You said it was roughly similar to this? What was different? Similar to this, but I couldn’t see these fins on the side. Okay. Because that was the fish that I saw, or whatever, but they were not within sight. You could only see the head, the neck, and the upper part of the body. This is Kent Hovind from Pensacola, Florida. I am here in Canada, at the 100 Huntley Street Program. Several years ago I think it was 1994, when I was here on the program. I brought my book from Dr. Roy Mackel, “A Living Dinosaur.” And I am with Cal, who is sitting here beside me. He said, “When I was in Africa I saw something like that a dinosaur.” I turned to this page, Page 256 in Roy Mackels book and Cal, you said, “Hey, I saw one of those!” Would you take just a few minutes and tell the folks what you saw and where you work And if they can get a hold of you in case they have any questions - just describe what you saw. It was one of the most startling experiences that I have ever had. It was about in 1963. I was on my way through the old roads of Kenya, back to Nairobi to pick up a car. So I was taking this old Chevrolet that was almost probably too big for the roads because of the pot holes. I was going rather slow. It was a hilly country near a place called Muhoroni. That’s down in the Rift Valley, but a hilly part of the Rift Valley. As we were coming up to the brow of the hill, oh, and my wife was with me. Suddenly it was laying there in front of us - across the road 7, 8, or 9 feet (2-3 m) long. I thought at first it was a crocodile. And then I thought no it can’t be a crocodile. This is a dry part of the country. Then as I looked at it we slowed down. I stopped the car actually, and sat there looking at it for about 10 minutes As I looked at it, I thought of the actual word “prehistoric” is what went through my mind. I said, “This can’t be real.” I have seen pictures like this but not quite like this one. Anyways, from the tail right up to the back of it’s head were - a series of - ridges. Ridges, like triangles, perfect triangles all the way from the head to the tail. And it was just laying squatted down on the road. It seemed to be warming in the sun. So I looked at the thing for ten minutes. I could shoot myself for not having my camera with me that day. I wish I had, but there it was, I have never seen anything like it neither before nor since. And I’ve asked people and I went to the natural history museum. I said, “Have you seen or heard of anything in Kenya of this nature?” And they said, “No there is nothing alive like that today.” I said, “I saw something like this.” And I argued with them rather intently for awhile And they said, “...well it must have been a figment of your imagination.” Well my wife and I both saw it. We asked experts for several years if anybody have seen anything like that. Nobody had, nor had I since. But there it was laying there on the side of the road. After about ten minutes, it stood up not quite as high as in this drawing. It kind of wandered off into a very dry part of the country, a bushy area. Not much greenery, it was a dry time of the year and It just took off, and Marion and I just looked at each other wondering, “what in the world is this thing?” What color was it? It was kind of dusty gray. Could you see the eyes? Yes, they blinked. In fact it turned its head and looked at us; it didn’t seem to be afraid of us. Could you tell by the pupil of the eyeball was it slotted or round? I don’t think I was close enough to see that. Was the shape of the snout like a crocodile? More like a crocodile than a hippo I’d say; it had a long face. Some of the African people I asked, and they said it was a Monitor Lizard. I said that’s impossible. I’ve seen many monitor lizards I’ve never seen one 9 feet (3 m) long; never has been one as long as that one. I’ve accidentally killed a couple of monitor Lizard by them hitting my car. They’re smooth skinned; with no ridges on the back. I know a monitor lizard when I see one. This was not a monitor Lizard; this thing had those ridges down its back. Could you tell if it had smooth skin or scales? It looked kind of bumpy, more like an alligator. Right, okay. On the side, I don’t think it had scales. I can’t really be sure. Well alright. It’s been a lot of years ago. This is 1997. I understand. I have been saying for years that there is a few dinosaurs still alive. And the first thought in your mind was that it was something prehistoric, huh? Well, I have been preconditioned by all the education that I’d had up until that time. These things don’t exist. Whatever it is, it can’t be a dinosaur. That’s the first thought most people have. I considered that it had to be some kind of a lizard. Because you have lizards of every size from a Gecko all the way up to monitor lizards. You work here at 100 Huntley Street. What’s the phone number here so if they have any questions they can call and ask for Mr. Cal Bombay? My phone number is area code 1-905-335-7100, ex. 3206. Well, call him up if you don’t believe it. I saw it. When I saw this picture I thought, “That is what I saw!” Let’s get them to zoom in on this picture if you can, and we will close out with that. If you have any questions, we would be glad to help. Give us a call if you want more information on dinosaurs. You let us know. We will be glad to send our video tapes on: Creation, Evolution and Dinosaurs. So that’s what you saw that day in 1962? This is the closest thing I have ever seen. Okay thank you so much, brother. I appreciate the time and God bless you. You are welcome, thank you. We hope you have enjoyed the video series on creation, evolution and dinosaurs. Much more important though than knowing all the truth and facts about science is to know the truth about whether you’re going to Heaven or not. If you’ve never trusted Christ as your Savior, let me explain quickly what you need to do to go to Heaven. The Bible says we’re all sinners. We’ve all broken God’s laws. We’ve disobeyed the Creator. We’ve done wicked things. We’re sinners. Some are worse than others, at least in man’s eyes, but we’ve all broken God’s laws. And the Bible says you have to repent. The word “repent” means to turn, it actually means 2 things, to turn from your sin and to turn to God. God’s looking for a change in your attitude where you say, “Lord, I don’t want to do wrong anymore. I’m sorry I’ve offended you. I want to do right.” And you turn from sin, and you turn to God and say, “God, would you please forgive me? Would you save me?” The Bible says in Romans chapter 3 verse 23: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. You need to admit you’re a sinner. Number 2: The Bible says in Romans 6:23, “The wages of sin is death.” We deserve to die and go to hell because of our sin. But, Jesus died for you. He loves you. He wants you to come to Heaven. And anybody that will ask Him for free salvation, God will give you the gift of eternal life it says in Romans 6:23. It’s a free gift. And it says in Romans chapter 10 and verse 13: Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. If you would just call and say, “Lord, I’m a sinner. Would you please forgive me?” And ask him. He will give you that free gift of eternal life. Why don’t you just pray with me right now, and you could receive Christ as your Savior? There’s no magic words God is looking at your heart. But if you could say this and mean it, God would forgive you. Just say, “Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I’m a sinner. I’ve broken your laws. I’m sorry. Please forgive me. Please apply your blood to my account. Forgive my sins and take me to Heaven. In Jesus’ name, Amen.” The Bible says, “If you call upon the Lord, you shall be saved.” So if you’ve asked the Lord to save you, he promised he’d save you. Now your job is to grow. Read your Bible, pray, get involved in a good Bible-believing church and begin to grow to be a good Christian. Thank you so much. Call or write if we can be any help at all. We’d be glad to help. What you are about to hear is an audio tape: It is apparently the roaring of the creature in the Congo Swamp The natives there call it: Mokele-Mbembe, which would be one of the few living dinosaurs. The sound appears to also have a flapping or a slapping sound near the end of each roar. Some have speculated that this may be similar to the Gecko Lizard. That makes a little roaring sound with the flap of skin under its throat. It slaps back against the throat making the slapping sound. That’s the best we have so far on this; so if you hear any more let me know. I hope you enjoy it. ROAR!! For more information on the ministry of Creation Science Evangelism write us at: Creation Science Evangelism, P.O. Box 37338, Pensacola, FL. 32526 USA or Call us at 1-850-479-3466, that’s 1-850-479-DINO. You may also visit us on the web at: - that’s End


Season summary

Every tropical cyclone in the season was of hurricane status, or with winds at or exceeding 74 mph (119 km/h). In only two other seasons did every cyclone attain hurricane status; those years were 1858 and 1884.[1] All five cyclones affected land; the strongest was the first storm, which caused severe damage and loss of life when it made landfall near the border between Mississippi and Alabama. The second storm of the season struck Puerto Rico, where it caused over 100 deaths, primarily from flooding. In the middle of September, the third storm moved across Florida with strong wind gusts and light rainfall, and a week later the fourth storm passed over or north of the Lesser and Greater Antilles. The last storm hit the Florida Panhandle, though damage was less than expected.


Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale


Hurricane One

Category 3 hurricane (SSHWS)
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DurationAugust 19 – August 30
Peak intensity115 mph (185 km/h) (1-min)  961 mbar (hPa)

The Great Mobile Hurricane of 1852 was the first tropical cyclone of the year. It was first observed on August 19 about 140 mi (230 km) north of Puerto Rico. It moved on a west-northwest motion before passing through the Bahamas as it attained hurricane status on August 20. After paralleling the northern coast of Cuba, the storm passed between the Dry Tortugas and Key West, Florida on August 22, and two days later it is estimated the hurricane attained peak winds of 115 mph (185 km/h). The storm slowed on August 25 before turning northward, and early on August 26 it made landfall near Pascagoula, Mississippi at peak strength, and the hurricane rapidly weakened to tropical storm status as it accelerated east-northeastward. On August 28 it emerged into the Atlantic Ocean from South Carolina, and after turning to the northeast, it was last observed on August 30 about 130 mi (200 km) southeast of Cape Cod.[4]

In the Florida Keys, rough waves forced several ships ashore, leaving some damaged.[5] Strong waves created four new channels in the Chandeleur Islands, and the storm's passage also destroyed the island lighthouse; the three keepers were found three days later. Two schooners were also washed ashore along Cat Island.[6] The hurricane produced an estimated storm tide of 12 feet (3.7 m) in Mobile, Alabama,[4] where strong winds damaged much of the city, leaving the majority of the houses destroyed. Trees were downed up to 30 miles (50 km) inland,[7] and coastal areas were flooded. Damage along the coastline was estimated at around $1 million (1852 USD, $26 million 2008 USD), and several lives were lost.[8] While crossing the southeastern United States, the storm brought light rainfall but moderately strong winds; in Charleston, South Carolina, the storm destroyed several bridges and crop fields.[4][9]

Hurricane Two

Category 1 hurricane (SSHWS)
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DurationSeptember 5 – September 6
Peak intensity80 mph (130 km/h) (1-min) 

Hurricane San Lorenzo of 1852

Early on September 5, a hurricane was first observed about 65 mi (110 km) southeast of Christiansted in the Danish Virgin Islands.[1] One meteorologist assessed the hurricane as being located near Antigua on September 3.[2] Tracking steadily west-northwestward, it quickly moved ashore near Ponce, Puerto Rico with winds estimated at 80 mph (130 km/h). After crossing southwestern Puerto Rico, the hurricane emerged into the Mona Passage as a tropical storm. Late on September 5 it made landfall on eastern Dominican Republic; it quickly weakened over Hispaniola, dissipating on September 6 over the northwestern portion of the island.[1] An assessment by scholar Michael Chenoweth in 2006 indicated this storm was the same as the next hurricane, with it continuing northwestward and ultimately reaching the Gulf of Mexico.[2] Due to not being considered the same cyclone in the official hurricane database,[1] this hurricane and the following hurricane are listed separately.

[4] There, the passage of the storm caused severe flooding, which destroyed large quantities of crops and damaged several roads. Storm damage was heaviest between Guayanilla and Mayagüez.[10] More than 100 people were killed in Puerto Rico,[11] many of which due to flooding.[10]

Hurricane Three

Category 1 hurricane (SSHWS)
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DurationSeptember 9 – September 13
Peak intensity80 mph (130 km/h) (1-min)  985 mbar (hPa)

A hurricane was located in the central Gulf of Mexico on September 9,[1] potentially the same hurricane as the previous storm.[2] It tracked generally eastward toward the coast of Florida, with its hurricane intensity estimation based on two ship reports. At about 0000 UTC on September 12, it moved ashore near Clearwater, Florida as a minimal hurricane, with an estimated minimum barometric central pressure of 985 mbar. Accelerating east-northeastward while crossing the state, the cyclone emerged into the Atlantic Ocean as a weakened tropical storm before regaining hurricane status on September 13. Later that day, it was last observed about 250 mi (400 km) east-southeast of Cape Hatteras.[1]

A post in Fort Meade, Florida reported at least 0.55 in (14 mm) of rainfall during the storm's passage. The hurricane was considered "violent", and gusts were estimated to have reached hurricane force.[4] Rough seas and strong easterly winds beached a vessel near St. Augustine.[12][13]

Hurricane Four

Category 1 hurricane (SSHWS)
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DurationSeptember 22 – September 30
Peak intensity90 mph (150 km/h) (1-min) 

On September 22, a tropical storm was located about 200 mi (330 km) east of Guadeloupe. With a steady west-northwest path, the storm moved across the northern Lesser Antilles on September 23, during which it intensified into a hurricane. It passed a short distance north of Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic as it reached its peak intensity of 90 mph (150 km). Late on September 26 the hurricane turned northwestward, bringing it through the Turks and Caicos Islands and eastern Bahamas. Recurving north-northeastward, the cyclone moved into open waters, and was last classified as a tropical cyclone on September 30 about 390 mi (630 km) east of Cape Hatteras.[1] However, one hurricane researcher assessed the hurricane as lasting until October 3, with the cyclone turning eastward and dissipating near the Azores.[2]

Hurricane Five

Category 2 hurricane (SSHWS)
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DurationOctober 6 – October 11
Peak intensity105 mph (165 km/h) (1-min)  969 mbar (hPa)

A moderately strong hurricane with winds of 105 mph (165 km/h) was first spotted on October 6 east of Jamaica. Passing a short distance south of the island, the hurricane tracked northwestward and brushed the Yucatán Peninsula before turning north-northeastward into the Gulf of Mexico.[1] Late on October 9, it made landfall a short distance east of Apalachicola, Florida at peak winds with an estimated pressure of 969 mbar.[14] Rapidly weakening to tropical storm status, the cyclone continued northeastward and emerged into the Atlantic Ocean from North Carolina on October 11. Later that day, it was last observed about 250 mi (400 km) southeast of Cape Cod.[1]

Heavy damage was reported in Jamaica. Upon making landfall in Florida, the hurricane produced a 7 ft (2 m) storm tide, and in Georgia, hurricane-force winds extended into the southwestern portion of the state,[1] while tropical storm force winds occurred along the coastline. In the state, moderate winds damaged trees and roofs, though the destruction was less than anticipated.[12]

See also


  1. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k "Atlantic hurricane best track (HURDAT version 2)". Hurricane Research Division (Database). National Hurricane Center. May 1, 2018. Retrieved November 9, 2018.
  2. ^ a b c d e Michael Chenoweth (2006). "A Reassessment of Historical Atlantic Basin Tropical Cyclone Activity, 1700–1855" (PDF). Hurricane Research Division. Archived (PDF) from the original on 28 May 2008. Retrieved 2008-05-25.
  3. ^ Chris Landsea (2007). "Counting Atlantic Tropical Cyclones Back to 1900" (PDF). American Meteorological Society. Archived (PDF) from the original on 14 July 2007. Retrieved 2007-07-23.
  4. ^ a b c d e Hurricane Research Division (2008). "Documentation of Atlantic Tropical Cyclones Changes in HURDAT". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Archived from the original on 12 June 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-14.
  5. ^ New York Daily Times (1852-09-03). "Key West Hurricane Dispatch". Archived from the original on 2017-09-09. Retrieved 2008-06-17.
  6. ^ David M. Roth (1998). "Louisiana Hurricane History: Late 19th Century". Lake Charles, Louisiana National Weather Service. Archived from the original on May 21, 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-17.
  7. ^ New York Daily Times (1852-08-31). "From the South: The Gale in Mobile, Alabama" (PDF). The New York Times. Retrieved 2008-06-17.
  8. ^ Weekly Wisconsin (1852-08-29). "Destructive Storm at Mobile". Archived from the original on 2017-09-09. Retrieved 2008-06-17.
  9. ^ Early American hurricanes 1492-1870, David Ludlum, pg 159-160
  10. ^ a b Orlando Perez (1970). "Notes on the Tropical Cyclones of Puerto Rico" (PDF). National Weather Service. Archived (PDF) from the original on 28 May 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-14.
  11. ^ Edward N. Rappaport and Jose Fernandez-Partagas (1995). "The Deadliest Atlantic Tropical Cyclones, 1492–1996". National Hurricane Center. Archived from the original on 22 June 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-14.
  12. ^ a b Al Sandrik & Chris Landsea (2003). "Chronological Listing of Tropical Cyclones affecting North Florida and Coastal Georgia 1565–1899". Hurricane Research Division. Archived from the original on 24 June 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-15.
  13. ^ Early American hurricanes 1492-1870, David Ludlum, pg 161
  14. ^ Hurricane Research Division (2008). "Continental U.S. Hurricanes: 1851 to 1920". Archived from the original on 19 July 2008. Retrieved 2008-06-18.
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